The College Dropout Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 I disagree about ASM. But I agree it's better we keep it tight early. I kinda hope Howe tries something new playnig Wilson, ASM, Almiron, Isak. But I reckon he goes tried and trusted, Joelinton/Joe left side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shays Given Tim Flowers Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He also set isak up in the second half and hit the post himself Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St1pe Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: I disagree about ASM. But I agree it's better we keep it tight early. I kinda hope Howe tries something new playnig Wilson, ASM, Almiron, Isak. But I reckon he goes tried and trusted, Joelinton/Joe left side. I dunno man. Trying something new in a cup final doesn’t seem like the right time to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 A cup final is definetly the time to be going with a settled side. It'll be the usual with Willock LCM and Joelinton LM or Joelinton LCM and ASM LM. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 51 minutes ago, St1pe said: I dunno man. Trying something new in a cup final doesn’t seem like the right time to me. Yeh i agree with this. Wish we started against Liverpool in a similar setup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I disagree about ASM. But I agree it's better we keep it tight early. I kinda hope Howe tries something new playnig Wilson, ASM, Almiron, Isak. But I reckon he goes tried and trusted, Joelinton/Joe left side. I think the first 20 minutes is where we can win it tbh. From what Froggy said And definitely from what I saw against Leicester, Man U are there to be got at early on. We tend to start games fast and dominated against Liverpool before the goal. I reckon go for it while we're fresh and they're in theory a bit leggy after Barcelona, and try and get a goal or two early on and give us something to hold on to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holloway Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 Has to start for me. As has been noted, Man U have been starting on the sluggish side the last few games. We need to be tearing into them from the off with Maxi floating about causing havoc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 2 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I disagree about ASM. But I agree it's better we keep it tight early. I kinda hope Howe tries something new playnig Wilson, ASM, Almiron, Isak. But I reckon he goes tried and trusted, Joelinton/Joe left side. Everyone outside of nufc think we r in for a hiding, I do as well , so why not go with above and enjoy it, there'll be plenty more opportunities coming in the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 1 minute ago, wyn davies said: Everyone outside of nufc think we r in for a hiding, I do as well , so why not go with above and enjoy it, there'll be plenty more opportunities coming in the future. It's hard to disagree when we've had so many hidings this season. We can barely keep the ball out of the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OCK Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 He'll murder their fullbacks from what I saw of Manchester against Leicester. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted February 20, 2023 Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, wyn davies said: Everyone outside of nufc think we r in for a hiding, I do as well , so why not go with above and enjoy it, there'll be plenty more opportunities coming in the future. Thankfully Eddie and the team won’t be thinking that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 6 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: I think the first 20 minutes is where we can win it tbh. From what Froggy said And definitely from what I saw against Leicester, Man U are there to be got at early on. We tend to start games fast and dominated against Liverpool before the goal. I reckon go for it while we're fresh and they're in theory a bit leggy after Barcelona, and try and get a goal or two early on and give us something to hold on to. I don’t think we can win it in the opening 20 but we can definitely lose it in the opening 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: I don’t think we can win it in the opening 20 but we can definitely lose it in the opening 20. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Well obviously the ref isn't going to blow for FT at 1-0 up on 20 minutes but the longer the games goes on you'd expect Man Utd to grow into it. Our strength is how we start high energy and Man Utd look vulnerable at the start of games. Feels silly not to aim to exploit that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I think they opposite, hoping they’ll tire and if we’re still there or there abouts with 20 minutes to go we’ve got a great chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Fair enough, I just feel if we're 1-0 up after 30 mins we'll win, if we haven't scored by then, we won't. Get the early goal and they have to come at us more and more gaps appear on the break. If we sit back early on I think it's just a wasted opportunity given they'll have had a late finish on the Thursday and they've started games poorly recently anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BoSelecta Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 Yeah I completely get your point and agree we’ll look to start quick as we always do. Obviously the dream scenario is getting ahead early but if we’re still in the game last 20 we should be all over them. The team selection will be very interesting in that regard as bringing on ASM against tired legs could be the difference. If he starts our bench looks a bit weaker in terms of changing the game. Let’s see how Howe plays it. I have a feeling it will be big Jo/Willock with Maxi off the bench but would be more than happy with ASM starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I don't think we should sit back. But not conceding in the first 20 minutes of our first cup final in 20+ years is crucial. Concede once early, we could easily concede 2 because it's such a big game and heads could go. We go 2 down like we did against Liverpool and it's curtains. The likes of Fernandes, Rashford & Shaw will have played loads of minutes recently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass I get the criticism of ASM on that to a degree. But it is still horrendous defending behind him and I feel like too much is being made out of ASM's contribution (or lack of) for that goal. Good ball under little to no pressure or not. You could have driven a bus through that gap and we have not been like that this season at the back. Trippier dropped slightly and then started shouting for hand ball and offside. Instead of just getting on with fully tucking in behind Schar to cover the run. Schar just seemed a bit blasé about it all and didn't seem to know what was going on. Both were similar for the second goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 4 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: Fair enough, I just feel if we're 1-0 up after 30 mins we'll win, if we haven't scored by then, we won't. Get the early goal and they have to come at us more and more gaps appear on the break. If we sit back early on I think it's just a wasted opportunity given they'll have had a late finish on the Thursday and they've started games poorly recently anyway. Agree with this. Froggy has already mentioned they have been starting slowly the last couple of weeks. We have been starting games pretty well of late, bar Bournemouth. Where the whole game was poor from us. Not checked the numbers. But it has seemed like the teams that have played in Europe in the week, have then had a bit of a sluggish start or poor first half in their next game. Followed by getting it together a bit in the second. Sitting back and letting them get up a head of steam wouldn't be ideal, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 48 minutes ago, andyc35i said: I’m worried about the balls being played in behind our defence for Rashford and Sancho. That’s why I’d be tempted to play Willock as we need to keep good pressure on the ball to stop the pass being played. We can’t be having a situation like on Saturday when a player like Trent was given all the time in the world to look up and spot a pass If we are going to play the high press, then the likes of Schar need to be wide awake to the chance of a counter. He's been great all season, but him and Burn have looked a bit lost at times in the last few weeks. Something's not quite right at the back, it might not even be them individually, could be a collective thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted February 21, 2023 Share Posted February 21, 2023 46 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I get the criticism of ASM on that to a degree. But it is still horrendous defending behind him and I feel like too much is being made out of ASM's contribution (or lack of) for that goal. Good ball under little to no pressure or not. You could have driven a bus through that gap and we have not been like that this season at the back. Trippier dropped slightly and then started shouting for hand ball and offside. Instead of just getting on with fully tucking in behind Schar to cover the run. Schar just seemed a bit blasé about it all and didn't seem to know what was going on. Both were similar for the second goal. I take your point and I’d blame Trippier more for both goals. He dropped deep for both goals and then didn’t track the run from Nunez on the first - instead he seemed to be concerned about Robertson out wide when that was never the main threat. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 The key to success for ASM is getting him 1v1 with a defender. To get the best out of him, he needs to play with Targett and Isak. Isak loves to come wide and combine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 (edited) It’s more important for us atm who plays behind ASM, you know with Burn and Joe on that side we will retain our defensive solidity even without ASM risking his fitness by having to put in a Miggy like shift in terms of ground covered. Edited February 23, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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