mrmojorisin75 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 poch revisionism now is it? if this lockdown goes on into june fuck knows where we'll be It’s not revisionism at all. Everything that has been said is factually accurate. As I’ve said, I just don’t get why he’s rated so highly, and I’d be looking elsewhere if it was me. He was the one of the first one to bring attacking football with the high press back into fashion when he took over Southampton. Klopp came afterwards iirc. I read somewhere that him and Pep were big disciples of Bielsa, who has always had a very attacking ethos. So that's the reason Poch appeals to me. also bear in mind he was forced to downgrade certain positions at certain times, such as walker to aurier to make money for the club - he was never on a level playing field with those around him in terms of spend, consensus was always he did a great job at spurs until it went sour that last few months furthermore he developed kane, alli & son into the players they are today He also sold Trippier, leaving Aurier as his only ‘decent’ RB, and who wasn’t as good as Trippier in the first place... did he "sell" trippier? i thought the lad wanted away and they couldn't stop him selling england's RB for £20m would be an odd move for Levy if there was nothing from the players side imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 poch revisionism now is it? if this lockdown goes on into june fuck knows where we'll be It’s not revisionism at all. Everything that has been said is factually accurate. As I’ve said, I just don’t get why he’s rated so highly, and I’d be looking elsewhere if it was me. He was the one of the first one to bring attacking football with the high press back into fashion when he took over Southampton. Klopp came afterwards iirc. I read somewhere that him and Pep were big disciples of Bielsa, who has always had a very attacking ethos. So that's the reason Poch appeals to me. also bear in mind he was forced to downgrade certain positions at certain times, such as walker to aurier to make money for the club - he was never on a level playing field with those around him in terms of spend, consensus was always he did a great job at spurs until it went sour that last few months furthermore he developed kane, alli & son into the players they are today He also sold Trippier, leaving Aurier as his only ‘decent’ RB, and who wasn’t as good as Trippier in the first place... did he "sell" trippier? i thought the lad wanted away and they couldn't stop him selling england's RB for £20m would be an odd move for Levy if there was nothing from the players side imo Trippier wanted to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 thought so aye there was also the contract situation with Alderweireld that prevented him playing a lot of games when they could have done with him iirc Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 This says otherwise... https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2852169-kieran-trippier-tottenham-exit-disappointing-after-mauricio-pochettino-talks.amp.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Trippier was rubbish the season after the World Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Trippier wanted to stay, but Pochettino didn’t give him a straight answer- suggests not great man management tbh... https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kieran-trippier-explains-left-tottenham-19180853.amp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 This says otherwise... https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2852169-kieran-trippier-tottenham-exit-disappointing-after-mauricio-pochettino-talks.amp.html these don't exactly say he was forced out like https://www.fourfourtwo.com/news/kieran-trippier-tottenham-atletico-madrid-explains-why-he-left-amazing-club https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/kieran-trippier-explains-left-tottenham-19180853 anyway that's a minor point in the overall picture, i maintain he did a very good job at spurs for a number of years...including making trippier the player he was as well btw Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Lol...ok, you’ve convinced me now.... I wish there were some press articles about us contacting Nagelsmann, but Rafa/Poch are good alternatives... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 I like Poch. I have a fair few mates who support Spurs and go fairly often. They all seem to universally love him and think our fans would take to him and his style. I think I’d want Rafa or Allegri ahead of him, mind. If they were all genuinely being considered for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 a lot will depend on the structure they want, if they've even decided it if they're going for a continental model of scouting and signing talent somewhat independent of the manager then no point getting rafa imo, he'll want control as we've seen and that control will doubtless include his image of rebuilding the club from the bottom up Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Seriously, I’d love it if we got Bielsa His style, financially backed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Little Waster Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/beta.hitc.com/en-gb/2020/04/22/entertainers-mk2-newcastle-fans-want-32-year-old-to-replace-stev/%3famp Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Nagelsmann is the one who coached Joelinton last few years too... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Nagelsmann is the one who coached Joelinton last few years too... Ahh, so he does have weaknesses too then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Seriously, I’d love it if we got Bielsa His style, financially backed I love the bloke tbh, he seems as infatuated about football as Rafa, although not sure his mad attack at all costs would be ultimately successful. But it would be a blast while it lasted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Bielsa would be hilarious for a season. Bielsa as manager and Hatem as player just for the laughs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Seriously, I’d love it if we got Bielsa His style, financially backed I love the bloke tbh, he seems as infatuated about football as Rafa, although not sure his mad attack at all costs would be ultimately successful. But it would be a blast while it lasted. Conceded the least amount of goals in the championship this season like. Bielsa would be my dream manager Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Bielsa’s problem has always been burning his team out, but if you gave him a huge squad he could probably mitigate that. I’d have him for a season for the football Would love to see what he could produce with enough money to build a world class squad. I've seen his Leeds a few times, and they look to be doing all the right things, but lack the quality to finish teams off. That said, I think he's a bit like Rafa, probably very loyal type to the team which fits his image, and the Leeds fans idolise him. I actually think there's more chance of getting Poch here than Bielsa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Everytime I've seen Bielsa's leeds, they should be like 4-0 up, but have missed a lot of chances. I think Bielsa's mellowed a bit recently, his leeds team seem well organised. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Everytime I've seen Bielsa's leeds, they should be like 4-0 up, but have missed a lot of chances. I think Bielsa's mellowed a bit recently, his leeds team seem well organised. They still push on possession wise, just a bit more carefully. I think he's probably realised you need quality in the final third, even at second division level in British football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 Don't think Bielsa would like unlimited money, his thing is all about improving players Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Been to see Leeds a couple of times in the last year. Both to nil wins, one scoring first and then sit back/countering and the second was overrunning and playing with no midfield as per stereotype. If/when football resumes and Leeds make it to the PL it’ll probably be the most interesting promotion story since ourselves and Forest albeit with less results. Been linked before but Kalvin Philips would be a low cost buy that would likely do a good job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Nagelsmann would be unreal Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mag_in_NZ Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Nagelsmann would be unreal Give Rafa 3 seasons to set up the framework and have Nagelsmann lined up.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted April 24, 2020 Share Posted April 24, 2020 Not to mention he bought Sissoko for 30m.... And turned him into a far superior version of the player we saw here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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