Infinitely Content Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 It’s Rafa for me. Setting aside the emotional aspect of having him back, it makes sense for the club to re-hire the guy who already knows the club, has most of “his” players still on the books, and has a clear vision for the future. Definitely this, and plus I want to see him put his glasses into his pocket when the whistle blows at full time in the FA cup final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Does Allegri have any weaknesses? He can be a bit stubborn, especially away from home. If his teams are leading 0-1 against a fairly poor side with ≤30 minutes left he tends to have his side close out the game and take 0-1, which can go wrong at times. But that tends to be the case with most Italian managers tbh, catenaccio and all that. But he's probably the most elite manager out of the potential candidates. Why? Due to the trophies he's won and that he'd still get a job at one of the top clubs. Pochettino is the same but without the trophies. Rafa, while I love him to bits, probably wouldn't get a top job now. He’s never been courted by the real big boys before, Liverpool were a top PL club, but on the same line as we were back then. Rafa was only ever a stop-gap short term thing for Real as well and couldn’t turn them down. Inter were one of the big boys of course, but he’s always been courted by clubs who want to compete with the big boys more. He’d win titles with Liverpool and Man City and would have any one of Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs challenging them two much better than they’ve been doing while Pep and Klopp have been at their respective clubs. I think Rafa prefers working at a club like NUFC than say a club like Man Utd and can achieve long-term success with those kind of clubs if backed where as it’s all about quick and instant success with the bigger clubs especially these days. Mourinho won’t last long at Spurs if they don’t start challenging again and win something, neither will OGS and Lampard and Arteta can’t afford one bad or average season and will eventually have to produce soon rather than later. Arsenal should have went for Rafa after Wenger or after Emery, and my brother in law who supports them reckons they did look at him and I know despite reservations about his footy, he’d have been delighted with Rafa. Who wouldn’t. What you get with Rafa is t just his abilities as a manager and a coach or his CV record, but his business like plans he can incorporate into all areas of a club from diet, medical, health, fitness, academy, scouting, and even physiology and stats. He has databases covering everything footy related on and off the pitch which you get to take into when your hire him. I’d hire him to run my business never mind my football team. Rafa gives you more than just a coach or manager, he can be your chief scout, medical officer, the CEO, the media officer, the fans relations guy, the academy director, the architect to design plans for improving facilities even. Poch doesn’t give you that, not many do to be fair. KK was kind of like that when he was manager firsts time around and I feel the club right now needs that just as much as a quality manager. If mainly to help facilitate bringing in and developing those kind of areas and helping with the recruitment of top people needed to run those area. Rafa has the contacts, the I knowledge, the skills and his own tried and trusted programmes that he has created himself that obviously work as look at his success, look at NUFC’s under him alone in 3 years and the injury and fitness improvements of our players and in scouting, the good personalities and pros he brought into the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Nagelsmann has been called the ‘mini Mourinho’ for his man management skills, although tactically, he is far more attacking (see the quote above when he mentions entertaining the fans). He works under a DOF (currently Ralf Rangnick) so I’m not sure about how that impacts on his signings, but his current team is littered with young, technically competent, international players (Werner, Upamecano, etc). He seems a little Klopp like in being forthright but also very grounded- he skateboards to work across the city for example. He implements the latest technology in training- he’s instilled a giant video screen at the training ground with multiple cameras so that he can watch, analyse and inform the players about their movements. Seems like a perfect fit for us in all honesty. Sounds like he might be waiting for a more established top team than us currently then He’s turned down overtures from Real last year as he has said he’s still learning and wants to progress at ‘smaller’ teams before going to a job like that in his 50’s. Yeah, reading that article, it does seem like he wants to be in English football at some point, but probably a couple of years down the line. Right now, Rafa is sounding more and more like the safest pair of hands, although I still think Poch would be very interested if we were to make an approach. The other names all sound top class as well, but I know nothing about Allegri. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 Does Allegri have any weaknesses? He can be a bit stubborn, especially away from home. If his teams are leading 0-1 against a fairly poor side with ≤30 minutes left he tends to have his side close out the game and take 0-1, which can go wrong at times. But that tends to be the case with most Italian managers tbh, catenaccio and all that. But he's probably the most elite manager out of the potential candidates. Why? Due to the trophies he's won and that he'd still get a job at one of the top clubs. Pochettino is the same but without the trophies. Rafa, while I love him to bits, probably wouldn't get a top job now. He’s never been courted by the real big boys before, Liverpool were a top PL club, but on the same line as we were back then. Rafa was only ever a stop-gap short term thing for Real as well and couldn’t turn them down. Inter were one of the big boys of course, but he’s always been courted by clubs who want to compete with the big boys more. He’d win titles with Liverpool and Man City and would have any one of Arsenal, Man Utd, Chelsea and Spurs challenging them two much better than they’ve been doing while Pep and Klopp have been at their respective clubs. I think Rafa prefers working at a club like NUFC than say a club like Man Utd and can achieve long-term success with those kind of clubs if backed where as it’s all about quick and instant success with the bigger clubs especially these days. Mourinho won’t last long at Spurs if they don’t start challenging again and win something, neither will OGS and Lampard and Arteta can’t afford one bad or average season and will eventually have to produce soon rather than later. Arsenal should have went for Rafa after Wenger or after Emery, and my brother in law who supports them reckons they did look at him and I know despite reservations about his footy, he’d have been delighted with Rafa. Who wouldn’t. What you get with Rafa is t just his abilities as a manager and a coach or his CV record, but his business like plans he can incorporate into all areas of a club from diet, medical, health, fitness, academy, scouting, and even physiology and stats. He has databases covering everything footy related on and off the pitch which you get to take into when your hire him. I’d hire him to run my business never mind my football team. Rafa gives you more than just a coach or manager, he can be your chief scout, medical officer, the CEO, the media officer, the fans relations guy, the academy director, the architect to design plans for improving facilities even. Poch doesn’t give you that, not many do to be fair. KK was kind of like that when he was manager firsts time around and I feel the club right now needs that just as much as a quality manager. If mainly to help facilitate bringing in and developing those kind of areas and helping with the recruitment of top people needed to run those area. Rafa has the contacts, the I knowledge, the skills and his own tried and trusted programmes that he has created himself that obviously work as look at his success, look at NUFC’s under him alone in 3 years and the injury and fitness improvements of our players and in scouting, the good personalities and pros he brought into the club. Fair points. But FWIW, while I would have Rafa back in a heartbeat, Allegri is my top choice mainly due to wanting a complete fresh start and also being intrigued by being managed by an Italian manager, even more so by one of Allegri's calibre. But I also think that he'd win us silverware sooner than Pochettino and would take to the likes of ASM; his Juventus side pre-Ronaldo, particularly in 2017-18 with the likes of Douglas Costa in the side, were fairly exciting to watch while still having the ability to be that typical Italian defensive unit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I don’t know anything about him tbh, but again, you don’t turn your nose up at a top level Italian manager. My young lad will be happy I suppose as he follows Juventus (because of Ronaldo) and he didn’t want him to leave. You’re six son or 5 when he left, what do you know man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I have to say I'm with HTT 100% on Rafa over Allegri - him coming back would be like putting on a glove, while Allegri is going to spend a long time implementing his systems. It would save 6-12 months at least on moving the club upwards, the difference between aiming for the CL in two seasons or three (subject to a bonanza takeover, of course) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I have to say I'm with HTT 100% on Rafa over Allegri - him coming back would be like putting on a glove, while Allegri is going to spend a long time implementing his systems. It would save 6-12 months at least on moving the club upwards, the difference between aiming for the CL in two seasons or three (subject to a bonanza takeover, of course) Maybe, but would take Pochettino even longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raconteur Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I have to say I'm with HTT 100% on Rafa over Allegri - him coming back would be like putting on a glove, while Allegri is going to spend a long time implementing his systems. It would save 6-12 months at least on moving the club upwards, the difference between aiming for the CL in two seasons or three (subject to a bonanza takeover, of course) Maybe, but would take Pochettino even longer. Rafa Daylight Allegri Someone else Poch is a good manager, potentially a great one, but I think it's fair to say Rafa and Allegri already are Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I have to say I'm with HTT 100% on Rafa over Allegri - him coming back would be like putting on a glove, while Allegri is going to spend a long time implementing his systems. It would save 6-12 months at least on moving the club upwards, the difference between aiming for the CL in two seasons or three (subject to a bonanza takeover, of course) Maybe, but would take Pochettino even longer. Rafa Daylight Allegri Someone else Poch is a good manager, potentially a great one, but I think it's fair to say Rafa and Allegri already are Elite manager when owners come in to lay the foundations for a younger manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I love Rafa but I think this is symptomatic of us as Newcastle fans to pine for him (and Keegan). We need to look forward, rather than backwards all the time. We're about to be the richest club in the world and we should be starting a new, fresh future in my opinion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted April 27, 2020 Share Posted April 27, 2020 I love Rafa but I think this is symptomatic of us as Newcastle fans to pine for him (and Keegan). We need to look forward, rather than backwards all the time. We're about to be the richest club in the world and we should be starting a new, fresh future in my opinion. So who would you choose? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I love Rafa but I think this is symptomatic of us as Newcastle fans to pine for him (and Keegan). We need to look forward, rather than backwards all the time. We're about to be the richest club in the world and we should be starting a new, fresh future in my opinion. So who would you choose? If the choice is Allegri or Rafa I’d choose Allegri. If the choice was Rafa or Bruce I’d choose Rafa. If the choice was inanimate carbon rod or Bruce...I’d have to go with the rod. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shelveys Hair Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Rafa rebuilds the club from scratch. puts every system in place to be successful from the ground up. Academy, training ground, scouting etc... already been here, already has plans. Everybody else starts from scratch. Success is not going to come instantly even with big money, so if there is to be a transitional period for 2 to 3 years, Id rather it would be with someone who has a head start. Strong foundations are what will be the most successful in the long run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I’m not saying I wouldn’t take Rafa back or that I don’t appreciate all the good things he did. However the goal posts have massively moved if this takeover goes through. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Rafa has top pedigree though, and is infinitely more dangerous with financial backing. He's not some second rate guy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 I love Rafa but I think this is symptomatic of us as Newcastle fans to pine for him (and Keegan). We need to look forward, rather than backwards all the time. We're about to be the richest club in the world and we should be starting a new, fresh future in my opinion. With Rafa you get so much more for your money. Unless they are going to also invest in specialists who will then develop for them the required programmes and business plans to match various areas of the club needed to get going along with their manager, I see no point in having a Poch, whereas Rafa brings that with him on his own free of charge almost. Rafa isn’t going backwards, it’s going forwards, quicker, with autonomy and with fool proof plans he brings to the table of his own he knows intimately and just what to do for the betterment of the club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 You hire Poch or Alegri once the foundations have been laid otherwise you’re gonna spend big on players and rush through off field things to play catch up from day one, or you hire Rafa to oversee everything who can start straight away and in the end, you’ve actually ended up with a head start! It’s a no brainier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Aye that’s why I want Benitez over the rest at the moment. He already knows what’s needed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Reasons I want Rafa. Has the experience and tactical acumen. Looks at the whole picture with great attention to detail. Charming man, (No headbutts, cunt-calling or lip licking), with a 'glasses in pocket' routine. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Want Rafa, think it will be Allegri. He’s out of work and we all know Rafa doesn’t break contracts. Been rumoured with that scout/sporting director who worked at Juve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Can't believe even the PFM pundits are seriously talking about Bruce being given a chance, he was the 11th choice for a set-up that didn't want to compete for anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Can't believe even the PFM pundits are seriously talking about Bruce being given a chance, he was the 11th choice for a set-up that didn't want to compete for anything. Ha Ha I forgot him been 11th choice, Bruce has to be given to the end of the season if only to get this season done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Pardew could win Serie A with the Juve side. Not sold on Allegri at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miggys First Goal Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 While there’s still a very real chance of us being relegated, Bruce should be no where near the job. Imagine we get taken over, become the richest club in the world, and then get relegated. We’ll be a laughing stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted April 28, 2020 Share Posted April 28, 2020 Pardew could win Serie A with the Juve side. Not sold on Allegri at all. Pardew would have them in a relegation battle for half a season before a little run securing mid-table, then claiming it a great achievement due to ageing players, press interference, spies, science....should I really continue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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