SUPERTOON Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Maybe the deal is agreed and signed that they takeover regardless of what league we are in because that is literally the only explanation I can think of as to why Bruce is still here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 We will win it, it’s nailed on. Because I’m true Newcastle United fashion, it will get the green light but relegation, a completely unavoidable one, will be what kills the deal. The only possible reason as to why Ashley wont sack Bruce is because he's going to sell to the consortium whether we're a premier league club or a championship club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 We will win it, it’s nailed on. Because I’m true Newcastle United fashion, it will get the green light but relegation, a completely unavoidable one, will be what kills the deal. The only possible reason as to why Ashley wont sack Bruce is because he's going to sell to the consortium whether we're a premier league club or a championship club. Yeah but there’s no way it’ll be the same price. He’s due a £100m+ loss. Also if arbitration fails he’ll be stuck with a championship club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoot Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 We will win it, it’s nailed on. Because I’m true Newcastle United fashion, it will get the green light but relegation, a completely unavoidable one, will be what kills the deal. The only possible reason as to why Ashley wont sack Bruce is because he's going to sell to the consortium whether we're a premier league club or a championship club. Yeah but there’s no way it’ll be the same price. He’s due a £100m+ loss. Also if arbitration fails he’ll be stuck with a championship club If they're confident of winning I suppose he could be looking at this scenario. Yup this is my thinking. I’ll never ever understand why the useless cunt is fighting so hard for a takeover while seemingly not give a fuck that we are nailed on to go down again If we do win the case but get relegated the value will drop say £100m.now my thinking but not sure if possible is that Ashley could still sell to PIF for £200m and claim loss of earnings of £100m against the Premier League? Maybe this is why he won't sack Bruce as he knows he'll get his £300m anyway even if we get relegated. Could be a bit far fetched but I think he would have a good case as they acted against the rules Also the possibility of £x amount paid to Ashley if promoted within the first year and subsequent years? could make it work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 A long winded read, but I’ll just say, if it was a straight forward as that we’d already have new owners.. and a new manager, players etc. Even look at the recent information in the Khashoggi thing about them using aircraft that PIF had bought. It totally undermines any argument that KSA have no control over them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow Puppets Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The PL are clearly, whether fairly or not, not comfortable with Saudi Arabia being involved in the EPL. And that's completely understandable. There are just far too many issues there. Whether what they are doing is legally sound though, I don't know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I think whole Stavely and the Reubens may retain an interest, PIF are unlikely to be interested in buying a Championship club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! The concern is if Ashley thinks like you. "If we go down, we'll just come straight back up" There is no guarantee of that happening due to Ashley's negligence since we came back up. If we go down this year, it would take a monumental effort to come straight back up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! The concern is if Ashley thinks like you. "If we go down, we'll just come straight back up" There is no guarantee of that happening due to Ashley's negligence since we came back up. If we go down this year, it would take a monumental effort to come straight back up. Under the very wealthy and ambitious new owners and with Benitez in charge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I think whole Stavely and the Reubens may retain an interest, PIF are unlikely to be interested in buying a Championship club. If you read my post you will see that your argument does not apply. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. So you really think they would pay the same price for a championship club? I think you’re living in lala land there mind if you do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. So you really think they would pay the same price for a championship club? I think you’re living in lala land there mind if you do. As I say above, a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season (with all their money and Benitez) is a very different animal to a "Championship Club". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
1964 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. Love your optimism but if we are relegated they will need to change the playing staff twice, good premiership players aren't going to play in the championship so we will need players to get us out and then players to progress in the Premier league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sho Time Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 We will win it, it’s nailed on. Because I’m true Newcastle United fashion, it will get the green light but relegation, a completely unavoidable one, will be what kills the deal. The only possible reason as to why Ashley wont sack Bruce is because he's going to sell to the consortium whether we're a premier league club or a championship club. I think it's far more likely he'd just gamble on us going up again first time. Nothing Ashley does makes logical sense, he's just a chancer who's got lucky to be in the position he's in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. So you really think they would pay the same price for a championship club? I think you’re living in lala land there mind if you do. As I say above, a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season (with all their money and Benitez) is a very different animal to a "Championship Club". We will see, personally think you’re miles off, but, time will tell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manorpark Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. Love your optimism but if we are relegated they will need to change the playing staff twice, good premiership players aren't going to play in the championship so we will need players to get us out and then players to progress in the Premier league. Good Premier League players will join us no matter what division we are temporarily in. The plans, ambitions and objectives of the "New Newcastle United FC" will be very plainly understood by everyone in the football world. Indeed, they already are by the EPL . . . hence their gut-reaction opposition to the Takeover (using whatever 'situations' they can conjure up to somehow justify that opposition). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 The PL are clearly, whether fairly or not, not comfortable with Saudi Arabia being involved in the EPL. And that's completely understandable. There are just far too many issues there. Whether what they are doing is legally sound though, I don't know. Apart from the Saudi involvement in Man Utd, that's OK though. The whole thing stinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Good Premier League players will join us no matter what division we are temporarily in. Whatever gets you out of bed in the morning Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 There is no such thing as a Premier League club temporarily in the Championship. They're a Championship club by "merit" and until it's confirmed they're going back up, they are just that. However, I could still see them buying in but with caveats where Ashley gets the full amount should we be promoted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 He won't win any loss of earnings claim because he wasn't obliged to hire or stick with a fucking useless blancmange of a man to manage the team He could put forward two arguments which may work. Either a) players and potential managers turned the club down due to uncertainty regarding the takeover. Alternatives weren’t considered good enough. Or b) certain limitations created by the sale environment meant he was only able to spend £X, of which got spent. If either of these are his defence then if he plans the legal route he is presently completely tied down and prevented from sacking Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 I can’t see anybody wanting to buy the club in the championship at Ashley’s current value and I can’t see Ashley selling the club at anything less than his current value either. To me if this takeover really was in full swing, he would be making sure the club didn’t go down. The Consortium would not buy a "Championship Club" for the money that they have agreed with Ashley to buy Newcastle United for. Hopefully, we will not be relegated, but if we are a Premier League Club in the Championship for a season - who cares? Certainly the Consortium won't care, why would they. Can people not understand the difference between a Championship Club and a Premier League Club temporarily in the Championship? After all we have done it twice under Ashley, so it would be no hardship under the Consortium and with Benitez at the helm. It would not affect the Takeover, it wouldn't really affect the development of the club under the new owners either, as they will have to replace pretty well 100% of the playing staff and non-playing staff, no matter which division we are in when they take over the club. The logic of this is obvious, but (I suppose) "cue the scatter-gun vitriol" !!!!! Ashley imho would not sell at a reduced price and nobody would pay that amount for a championship club and there lies the problem. If you think he would reduce the price fair enough, but, history doesn’t back up that theory. My post explains that the Takeover would not be affected - the 'price' will remain the same, by a season in the 2nd Division. Love your optimism but if we are relegated they will need to change the playing staff twice, good premiership players aren't going to play in the championship so we will need players to get us out and then players to progress in the Premier league. Good Premier League players will join us no matter what division we are temporarily in. The plans, ambitions and objectives of the "New Newcastle United FC" will be very plainly understood by everyone in the football world. Indeed, they already are by the EPL . . . hence their gut-reaction opposition to the Takeover (using whatever 'situations' they can conjure up to somehow justify that opposition). Are we ignoring FFP in the championship now? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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