Ben Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 ESL backed by the Saudis apparently, which if proved could be a negative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chris_R said: Because PIF won't agree he's a shadow director and so won't provide the details of him that the PL need, they're objecting to that part. And the PL are insisting he is. So they couldn't proceed with the O&D test because PIF weren't giving them the information they needed. Everything I've said about shadow directors, piracy etc is in the PLs own rulebook regarding the O&Ds test. It's clear as day what's happened here. This is what I was trying to remember, yes. So from a fairly reputable source in the whole matter, you'd think. You haven't read the O&D test properly then, see F.1.1.1. The PL absolutely could and should have made a formal decision on that basis. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yelevats Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 7 minutes ago, Ben said: ESL backed by the Saudis apparently, which if proved could be a negative. Next season 5 years is are going to be great...... new Castore kit, 52,000 screaming Geordies, Lee Charnaz & Justin Barnes enjoying the opening day sunshine, Steve, Steve, Steve & Steve roaming the technical area with Bosman signings making their debuts as we get beat off "great team Arsenal". I cannot wait! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Ben said: ESL backed by the Saudis apparently, which if proved could be a negative. That was a made up story that was instantly discredited. I wouldn't have any effect anyway because the legal issue is whether or not the KSA would control the club, that would have no impact upon whether they control the club or not, even if it weren't made up bollocks. Edited May 28, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: You haven't read the O&D test properly then, see F.1.1.1. The PL absolutely could and should have made a formal decision on that basis. The formal decision would've been "No", granting PIF more time to do what is needed, which is in PIF's favour, cannot be held against the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 5 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: That was a made up story that was instantly discredited. I wouldn't have any effect anyway because the legal issue is whether or not the KSA would control the club, that would have no impact upon whether they control the club or not, even if it weren't made up bollocks. I thought it was as well but Jacobs has just said the new info is coming out next week Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Chris_R said: The formal decision would've been "No", granting PIF more time to do what is needed, which is in PIF's favour, cannot be held against the PL. Not when they have explicitly asked for a decision to be made (which Staveley has said they did) and by refusing to make a decision the PL denied them the right to appeal. I deal with decision making processes that are in some distant ways similar in my job, if I were to act the way the PL have, refusing to make a decision and so denying the right of appeal, I would get absolutely torn apart by the ombudsman that regulates what I do. I see both sides of the argument in terms of the KSA being in control of the club. I'm probably about 50/50 on which way that argument will go (although I'm more confident that the PL will settle before it gets to that). But there's just no argument that the PL have behaved correctly in how they've gone about the decision making process. Edited May 28, 2021 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 55 minutes ago, Ben said: I thought it was as well but Jacobs has just said the new info is coming out next week Who instantly discredited it? I haven’t seen anyone other than Keith tell us it’s not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) Ben Jacobs had his life there. Whether he's right or wrong. He rinsed him. Edited May 28, 2021 by Rocker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Who instantly discredited it? I haven’t seen anyone other than Keith tell us it’s not true. Edwards for one did within in an exclusive immediately after tweeting the day before that this would blow the takeover totally. I don't know what's going to happen and nobody else does either. Just have to wait for the legal action to run it's course. Edited May 28, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: Who instantly discredited it? I haven’t seen anyone other than Keith tell us it’s not true. JP Morgan did. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/04/23/saudi-link-super-league-denied-jp-morgan-admit4bn-plot-misjudged/amp/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jackie Broon said: JP Morgan did. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2021/04/23/saudi-link-super-league-denied-jp-morgan-admit4bn-plot-misjudged/amp/ Is that discrediting it? That’s just a denial. I mean I’m not sure the Saudi’s/JP Morgan are the optimum of truth. Edited May 28, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: Is that discrediting it? That’s just a denial. I mean I’m not sure the Saudi’s are the optimum of truth. Nobody involved in this is the optimum of truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Keith involved in a conversation with someone who has genuine knowledge and he’s looking like an absolute tit, shocker. This podcast alone should put to bed any hope people have left like. Absolutely grim, but Ashley is going nowhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 1 minute ago, Fantail Breeze said: Keith involved in a conversation with someone who has genuine knowledge and he’s looking like an absolute tit, shocker. This podcast alone should put to bed any hope people have left like. Absolutely grim, but Ashley is going nowhere. You're telling me that Keith getting put in his place puts to bed any hopes of a takeover? He's not the one taking the PL to court, nor is he in arbitration with the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Dunno how you can read it like that. Both appear to have genuine knowledge and both came across a a pair of tits if you ask me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Looking forward to that podcast being spun as good news. Not sure how they'll manage it, but they'll try. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 30 minutes ago, Rocker said: You're telling me that Keith getting put in his place puts to bed any hopes of a takeover? He's not the one taking the PL to court, nor is he in arbitration with the PL. No. The information Jacobs is providing should put to bed the hope. The BeIn letter was sent to all clubs, that he’s been very open in explaining he has spoken to all sides, that there are two imminent stories to cast doubt on the separation further... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 It's interesting these stories are being leaked, rather than the relevant evidence just being provided to the hearing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocker Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 11 minutes ago, Fantail Breeze said: No. The information Jacobs is providing should put to bed the hope. The BeIn letter was sent to all clubs, that he’s been very open in explaining he has spoken to all sides, that there are two imminent stories to cast doubt on the separation further... Did you listen to it? Jacobs wasn't overly negative on the takeover at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Rocker said: Did you listen to it? Jacobs wasn't overly negative on the takeover at all. I’m listening to it now. I’d argue MBS lobbying the Government makes it difficult to prove separation. He also referred to a negative story due out next week to further dampen hopes around proving separation. Edited May 28, 2021 by Fantail Breeze Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE27 Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Why is Ben Jacobs so in the loop though. Is he doing actual journalistic work or what? Still perplexed at his deep knowledge and/or deep interest in it. His points might be right mind, I don't listen to wraiths podcast or any twitter nonsense. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 Aye so when the Foreign Office and/or the PM lobbies on behalf of British companies, which happens all the time, that means that Boris Johnson is a shadow director? Lobbying means nowt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosenrot Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 In fact it would be weird it MBS hadn’t lobbied on behalf of PIF, because if he thinks its a good deal, its in his interests for PIF to make as much money as possible — that’s the entire point of an investment fund. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joey Linton Posted May 28, 2021 Share Posted May 28, 2021 20 minutes ago, The Prophet said: It's interesting these stories are being leaked, rather than the relevant evidence just being provided to the hearing. It's interesting that when Keith does similar it's called "revealed" but if it's anything deemed negative towards the takeover it's called "leaked". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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