Takeover Thread - July 1st statement, Staveley letter to Tracey Crouch (and response) in OP

[number37]

7 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Is there anything legally stopping PIF etc buying the club from Ashley?

 

Obviously I know the Premier League could turn around and say we could no longer be members, but if Ashley sold the club to them regardless, I’d love to see them try and kick us out.

 

As far as I am aware, from a logical perspective, PIF can buy the club this very second but that's purely from a business side only. So Newcastle United Ltd (or whatever) as a company can be bought/sold to anyone (including PIF) at any time. The slight downside is league registration, which the Premier League can give or revoke to/from members. PIF aren't buying a club that has no league to play in though. Theoretically they could withdraw the club from the Premier League and apply to join the SPFL, for example, clubs do resign from leagues (Bury, for example, but under different circumstances). I reckon UEFA would have something to say about that though, but moving NUFC's registered office to Edinburgh and/or a brown envelope could work wonders. Office in one country and stadium in another is what Chester do, although that's a bit different. 

[Consortium of one]

1 minute ago, number37 said:

 

As far as I am aware, from a logical perspective, PIF can buy the club this very second but that's purely from a business side only. So Newcastle United Ltd (or whatever) as a company can be bought/sold to anyone (including PIF) at any time. The slight downside is league registration, which the Premier League can give or revoke to/from members. PIF aren't buying a club that has no league to play in though. Theoretically they could withdraw the club from the Premier League and apply to join the SPFL, for example, clubs do resign from leagues (Bury, for example, but under different circumstances). I reckon UEFA would have something to say about that though, but moving NUFC's registered office to Edinburgh and/or a brown envelope could work wonders. Office in one country and stadium in another is what Chester do, although that's a bit different. 

Aren't Berwick in the Scottish system?

[number37]

2 minutes ago, Consortium of one said:

Aren't Berwick in the Scottish system?

 

They are but that's due to historical/amnesty reasons. I forget the exact year but in the early 1990s, UEFA told the UK teams playing in leagues not their own (like Berwick, Cardiff, Wrexham, etc) to either move or stay in the system they're in forever. Berwick, Cardiff, Swansea, Newport (a couple of others) stayed in the Scots/English set up, respectively, but there were a handful of Welsh teams that moved back. 

 

At the time, Wales didn't have a national league (which is why they played here), this annoyed UEFA and also the Welsh clubs in England were taking the piss a bit by entering and winning the Welsh Cup and entering UEFA competitions, this also annoyed UEFA. 

 

I don't think a club has moved since. Maybe Gretna from the Northern League in England to the Scottish system but I don't think that counts because the Northern League isn't a national one. 

[et tu brute]

21 hours ago, Rocker said:

Middle of next week for CAT update on their website.

 

Edit. Going from their response times to other ongoing cases. 

 

 

 

This decision could be massive, and in my opinion the first genuine indicator of whether the NUFC (Ashley) and the legal team actually have solid and incriminating evidence in their actual case. It’s still not certain even then that the case would still be won, but if the Premier League request for the case to be basically thrown out is rejected, then it is least a positive sign that the judge making the decision  thinks there is enough evidence/argument for a court /legal panel (do not know where the case goes) to consider and make a judgement.

 

If the Premier League succeed, then there will obviously be a massive meltdown incoming, but the questions will then be directed (and rightly so) about the strength of the evidence gathered and presented by Ashley’s team. I know the arbitration is separate, so again nobody can be sure of what’s being presented.
 

I’m just hoping that the decision this week gives support that the Ashley legal team does have  the necessary evidence to move the case forward and create more pressure. 

 

 

Edited June 19, 2021 by et tu brute

[BennyBlanco]

Any legal eagles know anything about CAT proceedings? For example should the judge decide that there is a case to answer here could the premier league settle with NUFC to avoid a public, potentially embarrassing, hearing?

[et tu brute]

33 minutes ago, BennyBlanco said:

Any legal eagles know anything about CAT proceedings? For example should the judge decide that there is a case to answer here could the premier league settle with NUFC to avoid a public, potentially embarrassing, hearing?

Pretty sure that in a lot of legal cases in general that deals are agreed to avoid court action. So I think that would be a yes.

[Colos Short and Curlies]

6 hours ago, et tu brute said:

Pretty sure that in a lot of legal cases in general that deals are agreed to avoid court action. So I think that would be a yes.

The best lawyers rarely end up in court and there's a reason for that

[Billy Pilgrim]

10 hours ago, Colos Short and Curlies said:

The best lawyers rarely end up in court and there's a reason for that

Celestial intervention by Saint Rupert, patron saint of advocates and orderly billing 

[DurhamMag]

Not a lot changed it seems but hopefully we get some form a confirmation that the CAT case being thrown out is REJECTED!! Seemed to be a lot of noise on Twitter last night about rumours that it wont be thrown out 

 

We shall see I guess

[Dr Jinx]

1 hour ago, DurhamMag said:

Not a lot changed it seems but hopefully we get some form a confirmation that the CAT case being thrown out is REJECTED!! Seemed to be a lot of noise on Twitter last night about rumours that it wont be thrown out 

 

We shall see I guess

Yes fingers crossed! This decision will be the single biggest thing to happen in terms of this happening or not.

 

The point is, even if the CAT case takes longer to start, the PL will not want any of this playing out in public. Even if they drag their feet and stick to their guns regarding the takeover, this CAT case will damage them more than any fallout from allowing Saudi to take control of nufc. Even if PIF walked away, Mike Ashley is in this now and would see it through regardless. So either way the PL will lose out.

 

So they will have to settle.

 

The other alternative is too grim to think about so let’s just cross that bridge if we come to it.

[Wilson]

That's a bridge I'll be jumping off.... Fuck crossing it. 

[DurhamMag]

8 minutes ago, Wilson said:

That's a bridge I'll be jumping off.... Fuck crossing it. 

 

Il be behind you in the queue!!!

 

 

 

30 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

Yes fingers crossed! This decision will be the single biggest thing to happen in terms of this happening or not.

 

The point is, even if the CAT case takes longer to start, the PL will not want any of this playing out in public. Even if they drag their feet and stick to their guns regarding the takeover, this CAT case will damage them more than any fallout from allowing Saudi to take control of nufc. Even if PIF walked away, Mike Ashley is in this now and would see it through regardless. So either way the PL will lose out.

 

So they will have to settle.

 

The other alternative is too grim to think about so let’s just cross that bridge if we come to it.

 

 

The CAT is what is going to tighten the screw on the EPL imho however We just need to know the outcome of the case.... All this waiting is no good for our health

[ToonArmy1892]

All we do is wait.

[DurhamMag]

11 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said:

All we do is wait.

 

And while we wait other teams are cracking on with transfer business!

[Bishops Finger]

17 minutes ago, DurhamMag said:

 

And while we wait other teams are cracking on with transfer business!

Yeah. Stuck in limbo. It'll be another season of struggle if this doesn't get sorted soon

[Wilson]

1 hour ago, Bishops Finger said:

Yeah. Stuck in limbo. It'll be another season of struggle if this doesn't get sorted soon

 

That's exactly the same situation we'd be in regardless of any takeover. 

[Guest]

Why aren’t they putting pressure on the PL? Public comments saying they’re hopeful they’ll get the decision in their favour and what have you? There’s bugger all. Pre season starts in a few weeks and as it stands we still have Steve fucking Bruce and an average squad. If they were wanting this surely they’d be doing everything to get this done ASAP so they can get their manager in place, sign players before other clubs snap them up, etc.

[Joey Linton]

6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Why aren’t they putting pressure on the PL? Public comments saying they’re hopeful they’ll get the decision in their favour and what have you? There’s bugger all. Pre season starts in a few weeks and as it stands we still have Steve fucking Bruce and an average squad. If they were wanting this surely they’d be doing everything to get this done ASAP so they can get their manager in place, sign players before other clubs snap them up, etc.

Why indeed?

[Fantail Breeze]

6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Why aren’t they putting pressure on the PL? Public comments saying they’re hopeful they’ll get the decision in their favour and what have you? There’s bugger all. Pre season starts in a few weeks and as it stands we still have Steve fucking Bruce and an average squad. If they were wanting this surely they’d be doing everything to get this done ASAP so they can get their manager in place, sign players before other clubs snap them up, etc.

 

Ideal for Ashley though. Another summer with no investment or ambition and absolutely nobody giving him stick for it.

 

A great excuse for him for the whole of next season too - “we were constrained in the summer by the ongoing takeover situation and couldn’t prepare properly”.

[Guest]

I try to be optimistic about it but I just don’t see how. If the PL were in the wrong or if PIF really wanted us, surely now is the time we’d expect this going through. None of this ‘wait’ nonsense. Would we really be giving people like Clark, Murphy & Gayle new deals the last few months if things were imminent, knowing that they’ll be wanting to sign their own players shortly? Nothing adds up to me.

[Joey Linton]

6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I try to be optimistic about it but I just don’t see how. If the PL were in the wrong or if PIF really wanted us, surely now is the time we’d expect this going through. None of this ‘wait’ nonsense. Would we really be giving people like Clark, Murphy & Gayle new deals the last few months if things were imminent, knowing that they’ll be wanting to sign their own players shortly? Nothing adds up to me.

Similarly with Carroll if the rumours are true about another year. Especially this early in the window. 

[Pilko]

6 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

I try to be optimistic about it but I just don’t see how. If the PL were in the wrong or if PIF really wanted us, surely now is the time we’d expect this going through. None of this ‘wait’ nonsense. Would we really be giving people like Clark, Murphy & Gayle new deals the last few months if things were imminent, knowing that they’ll be wanting to sign their own players shortly? Nothing adds up to me.

 

Another way of looking at that is that they're all saleable assets and in the event we are taken over and buy better players we can move them on for a fee.

 

Or, most likely, nobody knows what's going to result and just have to work on the presumption of nothing happening and planning for that.

[Guest]

Yeah. I’ve seen people put ‘it’s only a year’ but it’s Andy fucking Carroll. Can understand Fernandez & Schar getting an extra 12 months because they’d still likely be squad players even under a takeover for a season.

[Joey Linton]

1 minute ago, Pilko said:

 

Another way of looking at that is that they're all saleable assets and in the event we are taken over and buy better players we can move them on for a fee.

 

Or, most likely, nobody knows what's going to result and just have to work on the presumption of nothing happening and planning for that.

I think we'd struggle to shift some of the big wages, Ritchie, Shelvey, Gayle to other clubs. 

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Pilko said:

 

Another way of looking at that is that they're all saleable assets and in the event we are taken over and buy better players we can move them on for a fee.

 

Or, most likely, nobody knows what's going to result and just have to work on the presumption of nothing happening and planning for that.

Saleable assets yes, but they’ll be on £25-40k each, why would they want to leave? They’ll just see down these respective contracts down, be loaned out with us paying the majority of their wage anyway.