AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Willow said: When I see the violence, the racial hatred and animalistic behaviour of the England fans, it just makes me want to give up supporting them. It's like I'm somehow a part of it and it makes me feel a bit sick. I realise it's a minority, but it's still a lot of them and makes me absolutely ashamed. Am I being over the top? It just really depresses me seeing them do this shit all over and over again. Scumbags will be scumbags of course. I feel the same sometimes, guess you just have to remember it’s a minority who behave badly. I hate that part of English culture in general, but they don’t decide what it means to be English. We all do. The tribal nature of football is stupid anyway IMO, I’ve never enjoyed it. I don’t have much idea of rivalry or hatred of other teams at all. I just like watching the skill and the tactics more than anything else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 1 minute ago, triggs said: Kane looked like he could hardly move after the first half …of the first group game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said: But it's not though, that's why he did it. Well sure, but people make red card challenges all the time. Not sure what your argument is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Did feel as soon as Italy got Kane out of the game, it basically stopped England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, McCormick said: He’s just limited imo. Sitting back and countering can be a valid tactic depending on the personnel at your disposal. But come on; it’s been proven in the last few years that, if you have the players, a well-organized high press is generally the winning formula. Unfortunately, for all his good attributes, Southgate is not at that elite level to execute this kind of game-plan. Which, based on the talent of this squad, means he’s not up to the task. Just came on to post this. He seems a decent enough motivator, and a friendly enough face to stick in front of the cameras for interviews, but he's no business managing football teams at this level, like. Contrast with Mancini. Despite the plethora of talent at his disposal, Southgate doesn't know what the best 11 is and what system bests suits them. He's lucked out getting the England gig. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Why is Alex Horne dressed up like Jimmy Saville for this Crouch thing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Zaius Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I'm gutted like. Imagine supporting England and Newcastle. Pure waste of time, the lot of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, toon25 said: Just came on to post this. He seems a decent enough motivator, and a friendly enough face to stick in front of the cameras for interviews, but he's no business managing football teams at this level, like. Contrast with Mancini. Despite the plethora of talent at his disposal, Southgate doesn't know what the best 11 is and what system bests suits them. He's lucked out getting the England gig. Massively disagree with the "doesn't know the best 11" chat. Part of what has been so successful up until the final is that Southgate picked the team for the opposition we were facing. There is no "best 11", only the best team to face what you're up against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Yeah it's a minority but a significant size. Hearing some of the stuff in the pub today made me sick tbh. Absolutely. I cant stand it. Most England games, if I can bare to watch them, I watch at home Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, neesy111 said: Yeah it's a minority but a significant size. Hearing some of the stuff in the pub today made me sick tbh. It's interesting really. Does this happen with other European teams as well? The French team for example, with the likes of Pogba and Mbappe etc? If that many fans feel so strongly about it in this country then why not just leave the national team to them if you're not English through and through. Very simple solution. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toon25 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, LiquidAK said: Massively disagree with the "doesn't know the best 11" chat. Part of what has been so successful up until the final is that Southgate picked the team for the opposition we were facing. There is no "best 11", only the best team to face what you're up against. I disagree. No surprise the team that just win the tournament played pretty much the same team throughout. Southgate is limited to s system where he want 2 DMs or 2wingbacks, which immediate negates the impact of pretty much the best collection of attacking players England gas had for generations Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Well sure, but people make red card challenges all the time. Not sure what your argument is. Just that its a shirt pull, it can never be a straight red even if you pull around the neck. Unless it's last man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 I think racism in France is pretty bad. They’ve have used the national team to attempt to unify the country (when they’re good) but I’m not sure what the current situation is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ToonArmy1892 said: Just that its a shirt pull, it can never be a straight red even if you pull around the neck. Unless it's last man. Fair enough under the current rules, but it could be different. Imagine if he drags Saka to the ground by his hair instead of the neck of his shirt. IMO that was a challenge with quite a lot of violence and danger in it. A yellow card doesn’t seem enough to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
samptime29 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 We have blown it. This was our chance. 2nd half was a disgrace tbh. Really poor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Just now, ManDoon said: I'm sure Ozil got some stick didn't he. I'm sure it happens to other teams as well, we just don't see it. It was famously a big issue around the France 98 squad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Massively disagree with the "doesn't know the best 11" chat. Part of what has been so successful up until the final is that Southgate picked the team for the opposition we were facing. There is no "best 11", only the best team to face what you're up against. That’s one the many reasons why we always hated Pardew tbh. Not concentrating on your strengths but on your opponent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 37 minutes ago, Skeletor said: Social media has become one of the great cancers of society. I blame the MSM for reporting on it. Giving morons their 15 minutes encourages more morons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, ToonArmy1892 said: Just that its a shirt pull, it can never be a straight red even if you pull around the neck. Unless it's last man. Why can't it be classed in the same way as an out of control tackle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty66 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) That challenge on saka was a massive massive moment. Saka gets away there and absolute worse case scenario is we get a shot on target. Personally I think we end up getting a goal and winning the tournament. Huge moment. Edited July 11, 2021 by Scotty66 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Pata said: That’s one the many reasons why we always hated Pardew tbh. Not concentrating on your strengths but on your opponent. There is a difference between planning for the opposition and obsessing over it though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 Maybe the plan was to mirror the Germany game and make it a bit of a non-event for 60 or 70 minutes then go for it late on. In which case the early goal actually negated a lot of our preparation. We looked dangerous every time we attacked them early on and should have probed further, whether it was instructions from Southgate or nerves or a lack of intelligence or experience on the pitch that made us invite them on, who knows. It was crap though, really crap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonArmy1892 Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Happinesstan said: Why can't it be classed in the same way as an out of control tackle? Because it's a shirt pull and not a tackle. And, i don't make the rules. Edited July 11, 2021 by ToonArmy1892 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, ManDoon said: I'm sure Ozil got some stick didn't he. I'm sure it happens to other teams as well, we just don't see it. Yeah, I'd be surprised if this wasn't an issue elsewhere too. I just can't imagine why on earth the future Sterlings and Rashfords would continue to put up with it. They could be doing amazing things for Jamaican football instead and having an absolute ball every time they went back there, as real heroes for the country. Think I read somewhere Greenwood is thinking about representing Jamaica instead and recruiting more players to do so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 11, 2021 Share Posted July 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, KaKa said: It's interesting really. Does this happen with other European teams as well? The French team for example, with the likes of Pogba and Mbappe etc? If that many fans feel so strongly about it in this country then why not just leave the national team to them if you're not English through and through. Very simple solution. I was thinking about this and when you look at the way other European countries celebrate, with flares and fireworks, you get a sense that they are trusted more to express themselves. The uptight repressed cunts that run this shithole don't want us to enjoy ourselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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