PIF and RB Sports & Media

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

He doesn’t, nobody does, but that’s what this place is these days.

 

I’ve been posting on here for over 20 years, it’s the worst it’s ever been for stuff like this.

 

Jump to (negative) conclusions, everyone is rubbish and full of shit, we should have always recruited someone different (usually foreign) in every position (on and off the pitch).

 

It’s relentless and boring.

 

But that’s all platforms, x is the same. Not sure if it’s all clubs or not though.

 

(this isn’t a dig at the original

poster by the way, just a general point).

 

 

 

Ive also been posting on here for a long time, and your post is incorrect imo, if you posted a lot during the Ashley year's you'd know what we see now is absolutely nothing in comparison to then. 

 

Personally I take most posts on face value, a lot of good information has been shared on here over the years and generally nothing much is to be gained by lying and thus myself and others will post based upon the information at hand. 

 

My suggestion to everyone is address the points raised and not the poster, if you find someone to be disagreeable, negativity, overly positive or whatever please use the ignore function. 

[Ben]

PIF has invested a fucking fortune in us over the past 18 months, from buying the ground off themselves, to huge investment in the current training ground knowing fine well it's getting dumped in a few years, to buying Leazers terrace.

 

I've supported Newcastle since the early 80's, we are a selling club if a huge club wants our players and are prepared to pay what we ask, because of PER we can't spend an equal amount on fees or wages, get used to it.

[lovejoy]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Ive also been posting on here for a long time, and your post is incorrect imo, if you posted a lot during the Ashley year's you'd know what we see now is absolutely nothing in comparison to then. 

 

Personally I take most posts on face value, a lot of good information has been shared on here over the years and generally nothing much is to be gained by lying and thus myself and others will post based upon the information at hand. 

 

My suggestion to everyone is address the points raised and not the poster, if you find someone to be disagreeable, negativity, overly positive or whatever please use the ignore function. 

A lot of the negativity in the Ashley years was justified though (I disagree it was as bad as it is now, even during the Keegan and shearer saga’s but it does help when everyone is on the same page I guess). A lot of the posts in here these days are negative for negative sake, but as I say, x is the same now. The E-mags on there are a breed.

 

Or that’s my take anyway.

 

 

[lovejoy]

1 minute ago, Ben said:

PIF has invested a fucking fortune in us over the past 18 months, from buying the ground off themselves, to huge investment in the current training ground knowing fine well it's getting dumped in a few years, to buying Leazers terrace.

 

I've supported Newcastle since the early 80's, we are a selling club if a huge club wants our players and are prepared to pay what we ask, because of PER we can't spend an equal amount on fees or wages, get used to it.

Get away with this balanced nonsense, man.

 

They’re clowns. Total clowns!

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

A lot of the negativity in the Ashley years was justified though (I disagree it was as bad as it is now, even during the Keegan and shearer saga’s but it does help when everyone is on the same page I guess). A lot of the posts in here these days are negative for negative sake, but as I say, x is the same now. The E-mags on there are a breed.

 

Or that’s my take anyway.

 

 

Im not sure it was mind, bare in mind during Ashley's times we spent a lot of timing wanting to lose to see off appalling managerial choices, for the most part we aren't there yet. 

 

Maybe I've got blinkers on, but I see very few posters who are negative for the sake of it but personally speaking I see a difference between proving analysis and out right negativity. 

 

 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

Get away with this balanced nonsense, man.

 

They’re clowns. Total clowns!

I will respond to this as your quoting me, but if we allow our sponsorship value to drop to half of what it currently is and try to boost it again and get marked down how would you describe that situation?

[Groundhog63]

5 minutes ago, Ben said:

PIF has invested a fucking fortune in us over the past 18 months, from buying the ground off themselves, to huge investment in the current training ground knowing fine well it's getting dumped in a few years, to buying Leazers terrace.

 

I've supported Newcastle since the early 80's, we are a selling club if a huge club wants our players and are prepared to pay what we ask, because of PER we can't spend an equal amount on fees or wages, get used to it.

They've put more of their own money into the club than that old, racist fraud Hall ever did, tbf. 😉

[lovejoy]

1 minute ago, r0cafella said:

Im not sure it was mind, bare in mind during Ashley's times we spent a lot of timing wanting to lose to see off appalling managerial choices, for the most part we aren't there yet. 

 

Maybe I've got blinkers on, but I see very few posters who are negative for the sake of it but personally speaking I see a difference between proving analysis and out right negativity. 

 

 

Equally, maybe I’ve got blinkers on and remember ‘the good old days’ on here, who knows.

 

 

[lovejoy]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

I will respond to this as your quoting me, but if we allow our sponsorship value to drop to half of what it currently is and try to boost it again and get marked down how would you describe that situation?

Clowns doesn’t even come close to what PIF have done for this club, if you genuinely think that we’ll never agree. Sorry.

 

 

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:40 by lovejoy

[The College Dropout]

5 hours ago, Decky said:

Why would we agree a deal with a Saudi company for half the price? If anything it should be more money and PIF should be capable of making it happen fairly easily. 

I’ve said for years PIF could do a lot more fairly easily and they haven’t. They’ve done a lot no doubt but a lot has been left on the table. 
 

5 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I’m perfectly fine with it not being a PIF-related company, but it all adds to the question marks over our gobshite-in-chief CEO, who has spent the best part of a year talking big but delivering little

Not been in the job that long. But aye not having a shirt sponsor is wild from his end. But PIF unwilling to get us a sponsor is a massive red flag if true. Puts all that totally committed talk in major doubt. Hope it isn’t true. 
 

5 hours ago, Viana said:

Spot on this, great post. 

 

I was surprised to learn his big three signings at Villa have been Onana, Maatsen, and Diaby. 

2 of those were FFP hacks though and involved players going the other way I believe. So may not reflect the true value of their transfers. 

 

4 hours ago, Stifler said:

Well if what was said is right and they have a squad that is aging out, then you are right, they will hit a wall. They already yet again need to sell to buy, and we have seen ourselves how you are not allowed to have a summer where you change out your entire squad.

I guess we’ll wait and see.

When you have rich owners dedicated to the clubs success they will find a way. 
 

It seems they are living and dying by Emery though. We made that move and it was a mistake. 
 

we had the right idea under Ashworth.  

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:42 by The College Dropout

[r0cafella]

1 minute ago, lovejoy said:

Clowns doesn’t even come close to what PIF have done for this club, if you genuinely think that we’ll never agree. Sorry.

 

 

 

 

 

My post was obviously sweeping but the reference of clowns was in relation to a hypothetical scenario. 

 

Think of it like this, you want to be Number 1 by 2030 but you also refuse to sponsor the club and let the market peg the flagship sponsorship at 50% if what it was. That is clownish to me and it's why I asked you you'd describe it. 

[The College Dropout]

I wouldn’t call PIF clowns at all.  I agree with a lot of what @r0cafella has said but that statement is a little too far. 
 

It’s fine. The overall point about shirt sponsor is pretty valid. 

[KaKa]

14 hours ago, GeordieT said:

Understand this was being touted at c. half the price of the existing Sela deal, on a one year interim basis, as recent as a few weeks ago. Would be a surprise at this stage if it’s anything but a backwards step commercially. 

 

Wouldn't this just be because no company would be keen on just a one year deal, and so it would come at a reduced rate?

 

But from Newcastle's point of view they'd rather just get some money in for a year, and then look at something more long term next year, when they're anticipating the club being in a stronger position, hopefully back in Europe, having sorted out all the mess from last summer that resulted in a mid table finish and no European football, which isn't allowing them to attract the kind of long term deals they're after?

[bobbydazzla]

PIF just spent £25m buying a row of terraced flats on behalf of NUFC so that they can give us a bigger stadium. 

 

But aye, they’re done with the club and haven’t got a clue what they’re doing commercially.

 

I don’t know how some of you lot get out your scratchers in the morning.
 

You must wake up and think “fuck, I’ve got a feeling the sky is falling in today. It’s not based on evidence. I’ve just decided it’s falling in. So I’m going online to tell everyone how life on earth is doomed and to prepare themselves for imminent death. Woe is me.” 

 

 

Edited Friday at 07:51 by bobbydazzla

[PauloGeordio]

3 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

PIF just spent £25m buying a row of terraced flats on behalf of NUFC so that they can give us a bigger stadium. 

 

But aye, there done with the club and haven’t got a clue what they’re doing commercially.

 

I don’t know how some of you lot get out your scratchers in the morning.
 

You must wake up and think “fuck, I’ve got a feeling the sky is falling in today. It’s not based on evidence or the sky falling in, I’ve just decided it’s falling in. So I’m going online to tell everyone how life on earth is doomed and to prepare themselves for imminent death. Woe is me.” 

 

 

 

Some of us read Chicken Licken and it prepared us.

[lovejoy]

5 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

PIF just spent £25m buying a row of terraced flats on behalf of NUFC so that they can give us a bigger stadium. 

 

But aye, there done with the club and haven’t got a clue what they’re doing commercially.

 

I don’t know how some of you lot get out your scratchers in the morning.
 

You must wake up and think “fuck, I’ve got a feeling the sky is falling in today. It’s not based on evidence or the sky falling in, I’ve just decided it’s falling in. So I’m going online to tell everyone how life in earth is doomed and to prepare themselves for imminent death” 

Sums it up perfectly 👍🏼

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

We rarely stop to think what we have, but always what we lack 

Fuck knows who said that however it does resonate with me personally 

[brummie]

5 hours ago, Viana said:

Spot on this, great post. 

 

I was surprised to learn his big three signings at Villa have been Onana, Maatsen, and Diaby. 

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

[bobbydazzla]

46 minutes ago, lovejoy said:

He doesn’t, nobody does, but that’s what this place is these days.

 

I’ve been posting on here for over 20 years, it’s the worst it’s ever been for stuff like this.

 

Jump to (negative) conclusions, everyone is rubbish and full of shit, we should have always recruited someone different (usually foreign) in every position (on and off the pitch).

 

It’s relentless and boring.

 

But that’s all platforms, x is the same. Not sure if it’s all clubs or not though.

 

(this isn’t a dig at the original

poster by the way, just a general point).

 

 

 

The willingness people have to believe everything they see on social media is what absolutely batters my head. 
 

Back in the day, some notorious bullshitter or a random in the boozer tells you something and you’d almost certainly dismiss it and wait for the truth to reveal itself.

 

These days someone sees something on Twatter or a forum or wherever and it’s from random people or the usual suspects chasing clicks for cash and they can’t seem to recognise that it’s either hearsay or outright lies. And it forms their worldview.

 

Huge swathes of people have collectively lost the power of critical thinking and are angry / happy about make believe scenarios they’ve concocted based on unsubstantiated gossip or outright lies. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:12 by bobbydazzla

[Dr Venkman]

40 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Ive also been posting on here for a long time, and your post is incorrect imo, if you posted a lot during the Ashley year's you'd know what we see now is absolutely nothing in comparison to then. 

 

Personally I take most posts on face value, a lot of good information has been shared on here over the years and generally nothing much is to be gained by lying and thus myself and others will post based upon the information at hand. 

 

My suggestion to everyone is address the points raised and not the poster, if you find someone to be disagreeable, negativity, overly positive or whatever please use the ignore function. 

No-one has addressed a poster.

[PauloGeordio]

6 minutes ago, RUHRLYASLEEVESUP said:

We rarely stop to think what we have, but always what we lack 

Fuck knows who said that however it does resonate with me personally 

We’re brainwashed from childhood to never be satisfied with what we have and always to want more. It’s how consumerism works. We’ve so much to be thankful for.

[bobbydazzla]

14 minutes ago, brummie said:

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

Forthright analysis by self-appointed unqualified experts, amateur Mystic Meg’s who can see into the future with great accuracy and Nostradamus-esque doomsday prophecies on a daily basis. 
 

‘Tis the way of N-O.

 

 

Edited Friday at 08:21 by bobbydazzla

[Rocker]

3 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Thought I'd give this forum another shot, 5 minutes doom scrolling in this thread and it's really just not for me anymore. 

 

I'd like to think it's always been this toxic, that's it's charm, really. 

[lovejoy]

13 minutes ago, brummie said:

it really isn’t, it’s a lots of ifs and buts and doomsday scenarios - the downside of having a world class coach is that he might leave? I’d suggest even that scenario works for us as Emery has coached highest level clubs before and it didn’t work out - mostly because to really do the best, he needs total control and absolute faith. Two things he won’t get at clubs like that. 
 

The fact is we’ve won a European trophy whilst finishing 4th and with almost the lowest net spend in the league and having to battle with unreasonable PSR. 
 

If that’s in some way foreboding then I don’t know how anyone is supposed to just enjoy football. 

We do need to reduce the average age of the squad and Monchi spent some money which didn’t work out (especially last summer and is gone as a result) 

 

Also worth noting though - sign Jhon Duran for 15m, get great things out of him but realise he’s a nutter so sell him shortly after and bank 50m profit and then watch him go on to deteriorate. 
 

Sign Rogers for 14m. How much is he worth now? And he’s basically had half a good season at best. 
 

We have exactly the same problem as you have had - owners with plenty of money and desire to spend it but hamstrung by a shit system designed to make it impossible to progress. I’m struggling to see how we could be in a better position right now given all the obstacles. 

Another great poster who’s been here for donkeys bringing some sense to proceedings.

[lovejoy]

12 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

The willingness people have to believe everything they see on social media is what absolutely batters my head. 
 

Back in the day, some notorious bullshitter or a random in the boozer tells you something and you’d almost certainly dismiss it and wait for the truth to reveal itself.

 

These days someone sees something on Twatter or a forum or wherever and it’s from random people or the usual suspects chasing clicks for cash and they can’t seem to recognise that it’s either hearsay or outright lies. And it forms their worldview.

 

Huge swathes of people have collectively lost the power of critical thinking and are angry / happy about make believe scenarios they’ve concocted based on unsubstantiated gossip or outright lies. 

 

 

 

The positive rumours are bullshit, the negative are gospel.