Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, triggs said: Howe is not some "random Muslim" though. Really bad analogy. He took a very public facing job which he knew was working for Saudi Arabia He’s a random guy working in a sport in an industry that is dominated and owned by bad people, corrupt people, gangsters, states, he’s very much random in the greater scheme of this now political football. As we are as fans. It’s not on him or us to answer to reporters and journos whose questions are false in the extreme to satisfy next Friday’s fish and chip shop wrapper. Go and put your questions to the REAL people in all of this who should be answering those questions and we might get somewhere… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 This just makes me appreciate Howe dead-batting the questions even more. Must be really infuriating for those who don't like the idea of NUFC being on the up and richer than the super clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: He’s a random guy working in a sport in an industry that is dominated and owned by bad people, corrupt people, gangsters, states, he’s very much random in the greater scheme of this now political football. As we are as fans. It’s not on him or us to answer to reporters and journos whose questions are false in the extreme to satisfy next Friday’s fish and chip shop wrapper. Go and put your questions to the REAL people in all of this who should be answering those questions and we might get somewhere… How is he a random guy? He took a job working for Saudi Arabia. Fair enough if he doesn't want to respond but its fair that he gets asked his thoughts. As I've already said football journalists can't put their questions to the people who should really be answering these questions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 If you're still digging your heels in and maintaining that questions about Saudi executions are ultimately grounded in a hatred and jealousy of Newcastle United as a football team, you need to get some help for your severe paranoia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, triggs said: How is he a random guy? He took a job working for Saudi Arabia. Fair enough if he doesn't want to respond but its fair that he gets asked his thoughts. As I've already said football journalists can't put their questions to the people who should really be answering these questions. He doesn’t work for SA man FFS, that’s like saying I am a customer of SA or work for them because I watch my club. Don’t get me wrong I know what you’re saying or getting at, but I don’t see it the way you do or think of it in that whole context… sorry! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, triggs said: As I've already said football journalists can't put their questions to the people who should really be answering these questions. But they aren’t or haven’t been, asking some lame duck manager or some fan of a club owned by some cunts? Where were they when Abramovic first took over, where were they a few weeks back asking him these questions, the FA, the PL, our PM and other clubs with questionable links/ownership? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 2 minutes ago, HTT II said: He doesn’t work for SA man FFS, that’s like saying I am a customer of SA or work for them because I watch my club. Don’t get me wrong I know what you’re saying or getting at, but I don’t see it the way you do or think of it in that whole context… sorry! You literally don't work for SA, Eddie Howe does. If you work for an entity owned by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund then you work for Saudi Arabia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 For what it's worth, my personal dislike of Delaney, doesn't make his questions or critiques any less valid. Sportswashing, the ownership of football clubs and the integrity of the game are massive issues in the sport, that should feature regularly in discourse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: For what it's worth, my personal dislike of Delaney, doesn't make his questions or critiques any less valid. Sportswashing, the ownership of football clubs and the integrity of the game are massive issues in the sport, that should feature regularly in discourse. But to the right people and to hold the, accountable… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, triggs said: You literally don't work for SA, Eddie Howe does. If you work for an entity owned by the Saudi Arabian Public Investment Fund then you work for Saudi Arabia He doesn’t, he works for Newcastle United, maybe next they should be asking the stewards on match day or the police or the tea lady about executions, gay rights, human rights, war, aliens, the pedestrianisation of Norwich… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 1 minute ago, HTT II said: He doesn’t, he works for Newcastle United, maybe next they should be asking the stewards on match day or the police or the tea lady about executions, gay rights, human rights, war, aliens, the pedestrianisation of Norwich… Newcastle Utd are owned by Saudi Arabia so he works for Saudi Arabia. Bit of a difference between a millionaire manager and a tea lady or steward Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, triggs said: Newcastle Utd are owned by Saudi Arabia so he works for Saudi Arabia. Bit of a difference between a millionaire manager and a tea lady or steward No difference in terms of being qualified to answer the questions being put to Howe tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 7 minutes ago, triggs said: Newcastle Utd are owned by Saudi Arabia so he works for Saudi Arabia. Bit of a difference between a millionaire manager and a tea lady or steward You can’t have it both ways, if NUFC employ the tea lady or the police or stewards on a match day are they not working for SA too? Do you consider the players work for SA and some of my mates’ 8/9 year olds who although don’t draw a salary, are effectively employed by NUFC to play for their under 8/9s teams? A contract that means they can’t even play for another team or their school? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 4 minutes ago, triggs said: Newcastle Utd are owned by Saudi Arabia so he works for Saudi Arabia. Bit of a difference between a millionaire manager and a tea lady or steward Wrong. Newcastle United are part owned by the Public Investment Fund of Saudi Arabia, which is not "Saudi Arabia". For example, absolutely nobody has ever been executed by PIF. Sure, there's links in terms of personnel, but they're not the same organisation. One is not responsible for the actions of the other. That's not to say we should not have some very strong conversations around our ownership, we absolutely should because of those links in personnel. But let's avoid inaccurate statements like "Newcastle United are owned by Saudi Arabia" because it's simply not true. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 25 minutes ago, TRon said: This just makes me appreciate Howe dead-batting the questions even more. Must be really infuriating for those who don't like the idea of NUFC being on the up and richer than the super clubs. Agree with this. The moment he answers even one question- however inoccuous - he's opened the door. It's a slippery slope and journalists will hound him to trip himself up and criticise the owners of NUFC, which as an employee you really cannot do. If I publicly criticsed my company owners, I'd expect to have my contract terminated. You just don't go there. Best course is the one he's walking now, just refuse to answer anything non-football related. Just keep playing everything with a straight bat, completely consistently. Don't even open the door a crack. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 35 minutes ago, triggs said: How is he a random guy? He took a job working for Saudi Arabia. Fair enough if he doesn't want to respond but its fair that he gets asked his thoughts. As I've already said football journalists can't put their questions to the people who should really be answering these questions. Persevere. I've been a reporter myself, albeit on a local level. Just because your first email is ignored or a press officer says "nah not doin that m8", you don't give up. Hammer on at the Premier League, the FA, Tracey Crouch. They work for organisations where colleagues working in other specialist areas will have contacts. Set out why you want to speak to them, don't go in being immediately critical, offer them the opportunity to clarify their stance. It's in the public interest. Look at the brilliant work the late Andrew Jennings did to uncover corruption within Fifa. The likes of Delaney, Holt and Glendinning are miles behind him. Heck, even Caulkin forked out on shares in Sports Direct from his own pocket to try and put questions directly to Mike Ashley. Edited March 16, 2022 by WarrenBartonCentrePartin Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) How about our ladies team, my mates’ business who is employed by NUFC to carry out various services, my mate who coaches for NUFC (for a wage) or NUFC foundation staff? Let’s ask Paula who sends emails out to parents inviting their kids to join a Foundation footy camp what she thinks about the execution of 81 people, she’s on what 8k a year part-time, been in the job 15 years. Aye, let’s bestow on her the kind of questions not asked of our leaders, the Premier League, the FA, all those investors in PIF and the people who run, own or are part of the domestic and global companies PIF has shares or interests in and of course, the leaders of Saudi Arabia itself. And let’s just start asking the citizens of SA too. I know people from SA and many Arab people and it’s offensive when they are all tarred with the ‘belonging to a murderous regime’ with ‘blood on their hands’ narrative in the same way it’s offensive to a Muslim to be asked to condemn or explain the actions of Isis and its offensive to Eddie fucking Howe, a decent human being. It’s offensive to me too that I’m now being morally criticised or questioned or feel I am all because I support a club who the powers that be have allowed some cunts to buy, own and operate it, especially when it was previously OK for Abramovic to buy success for 20 years and no-one gave a fuck about his links, past, money or other stuff. That and everyone else gets a free ride. But it’s the hot topic right now, we have to ask… the same people will ask Jack shit of anyone else and take a pay day just like Howe or Paula or the police or stewards on a match day or little old me content by cheering us on against Chelski… Least they get paid, I fucking don’t. Can I have some of that Saudi money?! Edited March 16, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaqen Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 The questions are just something ourselves and Eddie will have to put up with, it comes with the territory. The journalists know full well they won't get an answer from him but it helps spread awareness and becomes a story when they ask the manager at a press conference. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 42 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: No difference in terms of being qualified to answer the questions being put to Howe tbh. But a steward doesn't tend to be interviewed on the telly. One way to counter sportswashing is to bring these things up at things such as these press conferences. I don't blame Howe for not having an answer, but also think it's fair and probably good to ask him - it's more about bringing it up than hearing Howe's thoughts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 11 hours ago, triggs said: How does a football journalist ask the powers that be? Howe is essentially the face of Newcastle Utd. He's forced to do a press conference twice a week, nobody else is So, because they can't find an easy way to ask the right person (even though they could easily ask the club, the PL or the govt anything they liked at any time), they should be allowed to ask the wrong person in the post match presser instead? He's a football manager, and obliged to answer sports questions as a result. I don't know why I need to hear his opinions on geopolitics re the war in Ukraine, or the internal affairs of a Middle Eastern state when that's not his job. Nor why I should pay any attention to them even if he did. He can of course choose to offer any personal opinions other than on football that he might have, if asked, but that's entirely up to him. He might well have thought deeply about PIF's ownership. He might well not. I don't know or care myself. Because that's also up to him - his personal thoughts and ethics are entirely his own business. And it's clear that the whole tone of the questions are to try and set an elephant trap, so that the press can claim a "gotcha" moment whatever he would have said to create a headline. He's both wise and correct to avoid all that. For what it's worth, only one owner of a football club on Sunday has had the legitimacy of the source of their wealth recently publicly questioned by the BBC and mainstream press, been officially sanctioned by the UK government (sanctions that club then tried to remove claiming 'sporting integrity') and been banned as a director by the PL for links to Russia, who are currently engaged in an invasion which could ultimately lead to nuclear Armageddon. Ah, yes, but what about Eddie Howe choosing not to answer a stupid question ... Edited March 16, 2022 by Abacus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Merse Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 It's sensationalism not journalism and Eddie is an easy target to hit - instead of doing the hard yards and getting to speak to the people with influence just use a footballing press conference to chuck some grenades. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Inferior Acuña said: But a steward doesn't tend to be interviewed on the telly. One way to counter sportswashing is to bring these things up at things such as these press conferences. I don't blame Howe for not having an answer, but also think it's fair and probably good to ask him - it's more about bringing it up than hearing Howe's thoughts. It’s not fair at all, not when they are asking the wrong people or just the wrong people only, again, let’s not stop there, let’s ask the tea lady too? I’m all for asking the tough questions, anyone committing bad acts need questioned, outed and held to account, but Eddie Howe is the wrong person to be asking and so are fans, it’s actually really offensive the more I think about it and on so many levels because these false people won’t dare ask the same of the real culprits or would consider their own position in such matters if questions were asked of them on their opinions, self interest etc.! Which as so-called journos and reporters it’s them who should be asked about their own moral compass the most when it comes to seeking truth and justice on such matters which them and their professions professes to seek, harbour and obey when reporting on/looking into. Bull shit! I don’t give a shit about what Howe thinks about SA, hot dogs, or any other shit. I do when it’s our government though or the powers that be who make decisions on our so-called behalf that effect such matters like allowing a gangster criminal Russian oligarch to buy Chelsea, London property, have citizenship here and buy success with money that he stole. I want to know what the FA, the PL and my government think about SA and 81 executions, not some lame duck manager sitting at a press conference confronted by snakes… Ironically we now know what they think about Abramovic, he’s bad for business, Sauid oil, however, or Eddie Howe answering questions or not, though… Edited March 16, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 There's some pretty shocking stuff in this thread. I do not like our owners, but I think the club is only guilty through extension and association. As the reporting here says, the British government are actively complicit and using Britain's own armed forces to help. That's not what lads and lasses in the forces signed up for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Now what we all need to know is what Eddie Howe thinks about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted March 16, 2022 Share Posted March 16, 2022 Just now, reefatoon said: Now what we all need to know is what the tea lady thinks about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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