Yorkie Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Yeah, didn't we all learn - the moment the takeover happened - that the separation stuff was basically a smokescreen of the real issue, which was Saudi stealing the PL's (and its commercial partner's) product? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 19 minutes ago, Tiresias said: Dont give a shit how many lawyers say they are seperate it's obviously the state investment arm and its run by the dude in charge. It is obvious and self evident. Nice one - law doesn't work for me so I will ignore! Two recent events - Gina Miller took the government to court as they believed that they didn't need to get the Brexit deal ratified in the HoC even though they were legally obliged to do so. Boris and his cabinet didn't like that legal obligation either. They lost in court Mr Putin didn't like the international law about Crimea and Ukraine as it didn't work for him and so decided to invade Ukraine. The world has responded with sanctions etc. I know Im being an arse here but then the media etc and some on here are being arseholes as well by deciding to pick and choose what laws they want to follow and what they want to ignore if it doesn't suit their agenda/viewpoint. What these people are promoting is anarchy. If you dont like a law, then challenge it at the source and seek to change it through the courts. Asking a football manager what he thinks about what the Saudi Government is doing is the biggest whataboutry of all time but is tolerated because a certain number of people have decided that legal rulings are not for them in this case. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I feel like I've gone back in time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 It isn't law though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awaymag Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: It isn't law though It is! PIF is legally separate from the Saudi Government in Saudi Law and that is why the PL caved in. They couldn't prove otherwise when challenged legally. Thats why the UK government say its a commercial deal. You can argue all you like about your own personal opinion but it doesn't matter, you opinion is legally incorrect. We will go round in circles forever but at the end of the day - the law wins Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 hours ago, Solitude20 said: As I understood, those 81 executions belong to sentences of crimes that have been accumulated since 2016, but the the execution was just approved now. It’s not like they execute 81 lives every day or even every year. Even by scale, that is not far from the US. Oh, I'm positive we have more than 81 since 2016. Sounds like they are just trying to finesse their numbers in the system to seem big league like the U.S. You've got a long way to go, Saudis, but keep grinding and you'll get there one day. #hardwork #hustleculture #dontkillnonecantgetnone Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The separation stuff was due to the KSA/MBS not wanting to be subject to the PL O&D test. They probably would've passed the O&D test, irrespective of the piracy stuff, but they were clearly never going to agree to be subject to it. However, it was probably because of the piracy that the PL insisted that the KSA should be disclosed as a director, knowing the they would never agree rather than it being something they would be disqualified on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
St. Maximin Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, Miercoles said: Oh, I'm positive we have more than 81 since 2016. Sounds like they are just trying to finesse their numbers in the system to seem big league like the U.S. You've got a long way to go, Saudis, but keep grinding and you'll get there one day. #hardwork #hustleculture #dontkillnonecantgetnone They clearly just need to dust their axes down, roll their sleeves up and go again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, St. Maximin said: They clearly just need to dust their axes down, roll their sleeves up and go again. Maybe that's part of why I don't give a fuck about Saudi ownership, other than being happy to win some games. When you're in a country that does lethal injection by whatever you have around the house, allows police to routinely execute citizens without due process, and is in the process of reinstating the Jim Crowe laws and rolling back the civil rights act, it kind of disillusions you about the merits of one government or another. I'm glad I don't live in a theocratic police state such as Saudi, I'm also well aware that I live right next fucking door. You guys aren't that far behind us for that matter, you just need some snake handling episcopalians and you'll be right in with a shout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
veriaqa Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 (edited) So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? Edited March 14, 2022 by veriaqa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 hours ago, Jackie Broon said: The US also executes hundreds of 'terrorists' each year, without trial, by drone strike. I mean once you go outside the boundaries of "court ordered executions with due process" it's open season my dude. Our police forces execute U.S. citizens without trial or consequence on a regular basis, so you don't even need to go abroad to make your point. Adding in the fact that we've been actively engaged in multiple concurrent wars for the last 20 years or so is really kind of cheating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miercoles Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Just now, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? The Saudis are a long time strategic ally of the UK and are using weapons purchased from the UK to facilitate their war in Yemen, so that's unlikely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Did I 14 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? Not going to happen - the UK needs their oil https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/boris-holds-the-key-to-unlocking-saudi-oil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? https://news.sky.com/story/mps-call-on-boris-johnson-to-cancel-saudi-arabia-visit-after-mass-execution-as-minister-defends-newcastle-united-takeover-12566369?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter Quote However, foreign office minister Amanda Milling defended the Saudi investment in the Premier League side. "The Saudi Arabian public investment fund is a significant investor, having invested billions in the UK and other Western markets," she said. "It operates across a range of sectors. We welcome the purchase of Newcastle United, a sign that the UK remains a great place to invest." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The narrative tonight was very interesting. Roman Abramovic had ties to Putin when be purchased Chelsea. A convicted criminal bought Manchester City and they were sold to a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family. Various parties in Saudi Arabia have been allowed to form a "strategic partnership" with Man United, own Sheffield United and now own an 80% share in us. A Qatari broadcaster has significsht sway over the PL. All of this has been allowed to happen by the Premier League, while Sky have acted as cheer leaders to the "best league in the world". Now one of the individuals in question has brought their unpalatable behaviour to our doorstep, Sky have decided they have a conscience and what's really important to them is that Thomas Tuchel and Eddie Howe pass comment on their respective owners. It's pearl clutching of the highest order. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 3 hours ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said: It wouldn't be a one-club city if football started again. The mackems would take a back seat and our new rivals would undoubtedly be the newly formed FC AlexHurst-MichaelMartin. Sporting Club de Steve Wraith would also be wanting a look in too. I mean, surely Wraith Rovers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzz Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 58 minutes ago, veriaqa said: So, when the Saudi will sell NUFC? I heard that the UK will ban Saudi's too? No problem in terms of Saudi-UK relationship for now. But I suppose the PL could revoke PIF's directorship at any time if they ever radically overhauled their owners test? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Was Guardiola asked about Man City's owners tonight? Or was it all about the NAIL BITING TITLE RACE, ALL LIVE EXCLUSIVELY ON SKY SPORTS. SUBSCRIBE NOW. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
welk666 Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 "Gwyn" has no morals ! Saudis killed over 80 people ! Prob on trumped up charges ! Embarressed is not the word for criminals to be owning football clubs ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, welk666 said: "Gwyn" has no morals ! Saudis killed over 80 people ! Prob on trumped up charges ! Embarressed is not the word for criminals to be owning football clubs ? Have you always been embarrassed or is it just a new(castle) thing? Speaking as someone who genuinely did boycott that last world cup and didn't see anybody else doing that. Edited March 15, 2022 by Wolfcastle Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Its really weird and quite sad that Eddie Howe is getting asked these sort of questions, he's a football manager hired to manage a football club and has worked extremely hard to acheive a tremendous job, he should feel proud of himself yet they are trying to make him and as always us feel bad about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thiago Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, The Prophet said: The narrative tonight was very interesting. Roman Abramovic had ties to Putin when be purchased Chelsea. A convicted criminal bought Manchester City and they were sold to a member of the Abu Dhabi Royal family. Various parties in Saudi Arabia have been allowed to form a "strategic partnership" with Man United, own Sheffield United and now own an 80% share in us. A Qatari broadcaster has significsht sway over the PL. All of this has been allowed to happen by the Premier League, while Sky have acted as cheer leaders to the "best league in the world". Now one of the individuals in question has brought their unpalatable behaviour to our doorstep, Sky have decided they have a conscience and what's really important to them is that Thomas Tuchel and Eddie Howe pass comment on their respective owners. It's pearl clutching of the highest order. The fact Tuchel is deemed 'statesmen like' for saying war is bad when he knew who he was working with when he joined the club speaks strongly to how performative a lot of this is. If Eddie Howe simply said 'killing people is bad' they'd call him Churchill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 6 hours ago, buzz said: No problem in terms of Saudi-UK relationship for now. But I suppose the PL could revoke PIF's directorship at any time if they ever radically overhauled their owners test? Good luck to the PL with that, they’d be holding football to a completely different standard to other businesses within the U.K. As the minister quite rightly said PIF invest billions in the western economy, regardless of links to the govt our current directors would pass the O&D test. The only reason Abramovich is no longer at Chelsea is govt sanctions, that’s just not happening anytime soon with Saudi Arabia. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 More calls in the press for Howe to give a TED Talk on Saudi Arabia. Meanwhile our Prime Minister is flying there to beg for oil. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted March 15, 2022 Share Posted March 15, 2022 Did Guardiola get asked about the human rights abuses of the UAE in his post-match interview? Unfortunately I didn't tune in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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