Guest HTT II Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Rompe said: Some people actually still care about Manchester City owners and use pretty much every possible situation to complain about them. Dunno what those Man Utd and Liverpool fans have to complain about really… Edited October 12, 2021 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 I was sure this discussion was had last year and my sentiment is the same as I posted 18 months ago "This isn't a black and white issue, we are dealing with each persons morals and those are times subjective to a certain extent. I think we can all agree we want Mike Ashley gone and therefore him leaving will be a massive relief and a joyous occasion, it's been so long since we have been a proper club, and by that I simply mean a club trying to be better tomorrow than it is today. We've been a zombie club with brief moments of joy but by and large it's been absolute misery. In terms of the potential new owners, I think it's possible to recognise their issues but still want to support the club. I personally want this takeover to go through and i'll buy a season ticket if they are available, I miss going to the football. The issues with the new owners don't bother me enough to not want to go to the football or support my team. If however they were exactly like Ashley when it came to running the club then I would stop going but my issue with them would be the football and not other things. Having said that if the Israeli government were buying us my stance would change, does that make me selective in my morals? Aye I suppose it does. Does it make me a hypocrite? Again I suppose it does. If we are all honest with ourselves there is an element in hypocrisy in how we perceive things. Certain issues will bother people more than others. That's just reality. It's neither right or wrong, it just is. What does concern me is the section of our fans (admittedly this could just be a minority) that have suddenly become experts in the middle east and are defending everything, we've seen today our fans attacking Hatice Cengiz (fiancee of Khashoggi) on twitter, calling her a "slappa" and telling her to "fuck off". I've seen the Saudis defend and be in denial about what happened to Khashoggi, I expect nothing less from them but that's not something we should be doing. It's disgraceful and I'm comfortable in saying that is wrong. We can be happy our club is a club again without become cheer leaders. When it comes to certain sections of the media (Keys, Delaney etc) then ideally we would ignore them but I understand that's easier said than done so I've no issues when we challenge them but we shouldn't go after Amnesty/Hatice etc, it's embarrassing. I understand overall people will be conflicted, if people feel so strongly about the issues that they will no longer follow the club then we should respect that. If they feel strongly about the issues but still want to follow the club we should respect that. If they aren't bothered by the issues then we should respect that (as long as they don't go attacking people that have legitimate grievances)." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 This is a pretty excellent video, with lots of information I actually didn’t know about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Rafalove said: This is a pretty excellent video, with lots of information I actually didn’t know about. Cant really disagree with any of it, so whats the answer, is recognising and disagreeing with their practices while simultaneously supporting the club an acceptable way to go about it? I suppose thats the choice everyone has to make on their own. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Uuurrgghh..no need for the Saudi flag man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Just now, nufcjb said: Uuurrgghh..no need for the Saudi flag man. They've picked a winner with us mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) Ahhh..sorry. i didn't see that one. I only saw the original flag. Edited October 13, 2021 by nufcjb Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Ah well that's good to see. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 "A few negative responses." Ya think? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) I had no idea East Anglia has the same shield as Sweden. Glad they changed it. No need for us to assist in the Sportswahing. Edited October 13, 2021 by CaliMag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Despite being like a kid at Christmas, I'm absolutely dreading the idiots on Sunday. Saudi flags, teatowels etc will kill my buzz more than Bruce being in the dugout. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Fuck sake. I apologise on behalf of East Anglia, folks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliMag Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 No need wormy. They fixed it. I think we need to let people live and learn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiotes Witch Doctor Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Wilson said: Despite being like a kid at Christmas, I'm absolutely dreading the idiots on Sunday. Saudi flags, teatowels etc will kill my buzz more than Bruce being in the dugout. That sort of stuff will calm down eventually I'd imagine but Sunday will be absolutely rife with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Aye, hard to imagine it’ll be anything other than a shitfest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitley mag Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) I’m taking it this objection to Saudi flags just applies to U.K. fans looking like tits ? I think folk are going to have to get used to seeing it when Saudi nationals start attending games. I’m presuming most won’t see this as a problem, otherwise I’d suggest quite a lot of you are going to be offended over the coming years. Edited October 13, 2021 by Whitley mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I’m taking it this objection to Saudi flags just applies to U.K. fans looking like tits ? I think folk are going to have to get used to seeing it when Saudi nationals start attending games. I’m presuming most won’t see this as a problem, otherwise I’d suggest quite a lot of you are going to be offended. Most people will take it as daft humour, outsiders will probably think it's a bit crass, but I doubt many will be that offended. They'll just think some fans are a bit thick, but that's usually the case with any club. Except Southampton maybe, we all know they are a more intelligent and discerning breed down there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) It’s ignorance/wilful ignorance to fly the Saudi flag in light of all that’s being said and plays directly into the hands of valid critics. We can make new people feel welcome without coopting/appropriating national symbols and in some cases mocking/mimicking national dress. Whatever they wear it’s not a tea towel. It’s too easy to play stuff off as just a laugh but that means pretty much anything could be fair game. If a Saudi National wants to raise a Saudi flag they are entitled to but why you’d do it if you’re from wallsend/eastanglia/uk I don’t really know in light of it all. Fair play to them for changing it imo. Shows some nous. Edited October 13, 2021 by Darth Crooks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, Darth Crooks said: It’s ignorance/wilful ignorance to fly the Saudi flag in light of all that’s being said and plays directly into the hands of valid critics. We can make new people feel welcome without coopting/appropriating national symbols and in some cases mocking/mimicking national dress. It’s too easy to play stuff off as just a laugh but that means pretty much anything could be fair game. If a Saudi National wants to raise a Saudi flag they are entitled to but why you’d do it if you’re from wallsend/eastanglia/uk I don’t really know in light of it all. Fair play to them for changing it imo. Shows some nous. Maybe we should just wait and see if anybody actually does fly the Saudi flag? Who knows, we might be pleasantly surprised by Newcastle fans respectful decorum for the political ramifications beyond the football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 (edited) We live and hope. Like I say, kudos to the EA Mags Edited October 13, 2021 by Darth Crooks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
aa5773 Posted October 13, 2021 Share Posted October 13, 2021 Not an opinion, just a question: How would you would react if in the future Newcastle play in Saudi Arabia for the benefit of the kingdom directly (like promoting the kingdom ideal). That would be a very much "sportwashing" event in the max. Would people that are on fence now still support Newcastle? Or would you quit supporting Newcastle? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafalove Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 Who are you? Are you just some random Saudi lad, or someone higher up? Anyway I think it’s fair to say, we would hate anything that goes against the values of free speech, human rights and democracy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Armchair Pundit Posted October 14, 2021 Share Posted October 14, 2021 I know in the past we've questioned whether this forum and opinions on it are a true representation of the general nufc support on certain topics within the club, but I do think it can turn into having a certain level of being a bit of an echo chamber and trying to out-do each other in some threads. I honestly don't believe the majority of fans care about what KSA might or might not have done in their past or whether this whole thing is sports-washing for their future. If someone wants to dress as an Arab Sheik or wave a Saudi flag that's up to them, I get that some people aren't going to be comfortable with that but on the whole, I think it's only going to bother a small amount of people by comparison, who tend to react more strongly to controversial subjects. That's just my take on it though and I don't live in the North East so I could easily be misreading it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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