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Neville sat there all sheepish "uncomfortable" is quite something. He and most of the talking heads in football, the league executives, the tv broadcasters, global sponsors (banks, tyre companies, apparel companies, luxury jewelers, watch companies, betting companies, car companies, etc etc etc etc) all play a hand in where football is today. Now everyone is ready to take a stand? 

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4 minutes ago, Kanji said:

Neville sat there all sheepish "uncomfortable" is quite something. He and most of the talking heads in football, the league executives, the tv broadcasters, global sponsors (banks, tyre companies, apparel companies, luxury jewelers, watch companies, betting companies, car companies, etc etc etc etc) all play a hand in where football is today. Now everyone is ready to take a stand? 


Aye, he’s benefitted massively on a personal level from Abramovich being a conduit for all of the money that poured into football post his arrival.

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Neville bemoaning PIF/Abramovic yet works for fucking Sky, arguably the destroyer of our game, get to fuck you little weasel faced cunt!

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3 minutes ago, Si said:

https://www.pif.gov.sa/en/Pages/About-OurLeadership.aspx

 

Look at the web address, then look at the board members :lol:

 

I dont need to .   The law has already stipulated that PIF is legally separate to the Saudi Government.   So your argument, the wind up merchant on Twitter, Holt, Delaney, Tariq etc are all pissing in the wind.  Instead of regurgitating the same line over and over again and shouting down anybody that challenges.  Why dont you all get together and put a legal review/challenge of why the law sees PIF as a different legally entity to the Saudi  Government?

 

I agree the Saudi Government does awful things and should quite rightly be challenged but to keep on going at NUFC fans, Howe etc on what the government does - is not only targeting the wrong people, it is by law totally incorrect.

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1 hour ago, Wolfcastle said:

Probably just shouldn't be allowed to be owned by anybody outside whatever country your team is in.

Get no cultural differences that way.

There again why just limit it to football or sport. Its the same tentacles in business and the same morals.

 

 

 

Can we please not ban any foreign investment in UK companies just to stop NUFC being good? Brexit is fucking bad enough.

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9 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

I dont need to .   The law has already stipulated that PIF is legally separate to the Saudi Government.   So your argument, the wind up merchant on Twitter, Holt, Delaney, Tariq etc are all pissing in the wind.  Instead of regurgitating the same line over and over again and shouting down anybody that challenges.  Why dont you all get together and put a legal review/challenge of why the law sees PIF as a different legally entity to the Saudi  Government?

 

I agree the Saudi Government does awful things and should quite rightly be challenged but to keep on going at NUFC fans, Howe etc on what the government does - is not only targeting the wrong people, it is by law totally incorrect.

 

 

"Prove it!"

 

"Ok look at this."

 

"No I won't."

 

 

Night mate.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

There's no way the KSA Government and PIF are separate entities like. It's essentially a state savings account. MBS run it for fucks sake :lol:

? but legally they are.

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Perhaps the only fair way is to ban all foreign ownership of premier league clubs, give the fans 50% and let the clubs earn as much as they can through gate receipts, sponsorship and TV money, pay the players and staff fair market value, only allow transfer fees that the clubs can justifiably afford and make the players pay their own representatives.

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I'm still amazed the PL accepted the argument around separation. It's quite clearly nonsense. Most likely it was a fudge as part of making amends with BeIN Sports, given how quickly PL opposition evaporated.

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Yeah, didn't we all learn - the moment the takeover happened - that the separation stuff was basically a smokescreen of the real issue, which was Saudi stealing the PL's (and its commercial partner's) product? 

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19 minutes ago, Tiresias said:

Dont give a shit how many lawyers say they are seperate it's obviously the state investment arm and its run by the dude in charge. It is obvious and self evident. 

 

Nice one - law doesn't work for me so I will ignore!

 

Two recent events -

 

Gina Miller took the government to court as they believed that they didn't need to get the Brexit deal ratified in the HoC even though they were legally obliged to do so.   Boris and his cabinet didn't like that legal obligation either.  They lost in court

 

Mr Putin didn't like the international law about Crimea and Ukraine as it didn't work for him and so decided to invade Ukraine.  The world has responded with sanctions etc.

 

I know Im being an arse here but then the media etc and some on here are being arseholes as well by deciding to pick and choose what laws they want to follow and what they want to ignore if it doesn't suit their agenda/viewpoint.

 

What these people are promoting is anarchy.  If you dont like a law, then challenge it at the source and seek to change it through the courts.  Asking a football manager what he thinks about what the Saudi Government is doing is the biggest whataboutry of all time but is tolerated because a certain number of people have decided that legal rulings are not for them in this case.

 

 

 

 

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Just now, The Prophet said:

It isn't law though :lol:

It is!  PIF is legally separate from the Saudi Government in Saudi Law and that is why the PL caved in.  They couldn't prove otherwise when challenged legally.  Thats why the UK government say its a commercial deal.

 

You can argue all you like about your own personal opinion but it doesn't matter, you opinion is legally incorrect. We will go round in circles forever but at the end of the day - the law wins

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3 hours ago, Solitude20 said:

As I understood, those 81 executions belong to sentences of crimes that have been accumulated since 2016, but the the execution was just approved now. It’s not like they execute 81 lives every day or even every year. Even by scale, that is not far from the US. 

 

Oh, I'm positive we have more than 81 since 2016. Sounds like they are just trying to finesse their numbers in the system to seem big league like the U.S.

 

You've got a long way to go, Saudis, but keep grinding and you'll get there one day. #hardwork #hustleculture #dontkillnonecantgetnone

 

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The separation stuff was due to the KSA/MBS not wanting to be subject to the PL O&D test. They probably would've passed the O&D test, irrespective of the piracy stuff, but they were clearly never going to agree to be subject to it.

 

However, it was probably because of the piracy that the PL insisted that the KSA should be disclosed as a director, knowing the they would never agree rather than it being something they would be disqualified on.

 

 

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12 minutes ago, Miercoles said:

 

Oh, I'm positive we have more than 81 since 2016. Sounds like they are just trying to finesse their numbers in the system to seem big league like the U.S.

 

You've got a long way to go, Saudis, but keep grinding and you'll get there one day. #hardwork #hustleculture #dontkillnonecantgetnone

 

They clearly just need to dust their axes down, roll their sleeves up and go again. 

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