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Don't, because I have seen F1 attacked for racing in those countries all the time. When they raced in saudi arabia a lot of the drivers were vocally unhappy to the point that it was mooted they would boycott. That is classic case of 'i haven't paid attention to something and therefore i believe it hasnt happened'.

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On 10/06/2022 at 08:03, TheBrownBottle said:

'Would you have played in Apartheid SA?' is a straightforward tbh.  Sportspeople didn't play there.

 

When was that? the 1980's? When bouncers were limitedto one per over because West Indian bowlers were too dangerous with them?

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15 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

 

Yes they did - both in golf and other sports.

 

By breaking sanctions, yeah, and coining it in. There's no doubt the sports and arts boycott of S'africa played its part but it was the political/ economic pressure that was the main international driver. None of that would have mattered one jot without the sacrifices and effort of the indigenous population and their supporters. 

If anything sports people should be grilled for having anything to do with murderous apartheid Israel if RKSA is the benchmark.

 

As the Kid said previously the globalisation of everything we use means it would be very difficult to live a pure guilt-free existence. Christians for eg, or socialists for that matter, can't be expected to live in cardboard boxes feeding of weeds they've self cultivated whilst anything they "earn" has to go to charity. Not everyone has to be Jesus.

 

We all know SA is an unsavory regime. So is China. Russia now. SA is but UAE not so much, not Qatar. India, Brazil, Hungary, The former Russian 'stans, Israel, The Taliban now but not in the 80s when they were our pals, seemingly. Thing is we, and more importantly the US deal with these countries. Always have always will. One minute they're pals, next minute they're enemies. Largely depends on how compliant they are to the US' needs.

 

Absolutely Yemenis are getting bombed with our missiles fired from our planes bought by SA. The weapons industry brings in lots of money and lots of "jobs", innit

Christ I remember watching our boys in San Carlos Bay getting pulverised by Argentinians firing French missiles with some parts in them made in Britain ffs. 

 

Anyway much like "woke" "snowflake" "whataboutary" & "cancel culture" "sportswashing" doesn't exsist. If it did the whole world and their dog wouldn't be debating exactly how bad a country they are, surely?

 

 

Morning. Up The Toon

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I’d love to go off grid, just buy some land, buy a bus, convert it into a home and grow our own food and stuff. Maybe when the kids are older!

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45 minutes ago, Pandamninator said:

 

Yes they did - both in golf and other sports.

 

A handful of utter cunts did break the cultural embargo on SA, that’s true.  And they were (correctly) criticised for it.

 

Football actually took some of the biggest strides of all, expelling SA from FIFA.  Cricket and rugby also took solid stances.

 

Most golf club during this period had their very own version of apartheid, with non-white players not allowed to play.  Because golf has long been a game played by complete and utter cunts

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18 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

What no tinterweb? There’s be murder! 

I’d give it up for a tranquil paradise type life.

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27 minutes ago, Slim said:

New Buzz Lightyear movie banned in Saudi.

 

They do like a cinema ban.  At least with Dr Strange it was because it contained magic - and sorcery and black magic still carries the death penalty over there, so, fair dos?

 

At some point the 18th Century will come knocking, and that’ll be eye-opening for them

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Might be Giggs but Saudi are taking anything rainbow-coloured off the shelves for "contradicting the Islamic faith and public morals and promoting homosexual colours targeting the younger generation"

 

The rainbow laces thing seems a bit hollow in this context tbf. It will be a long time for them to change by the looks of things

 

 

 

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As an American Toon supporter watching the increasingly absurd news roll in from Florida tonight, I have to say I'm starting to have a bad bad feeling that NUFC is somehow going to get caught up in Trump's downfall.

 

One of the more plausible seeming explanations for what's going on might be that Trump did some light treason with our nuclear secrets and laundered the payments via... the Saudi PIF? Which presumably would reopen the whole awkward "is the PIF separate from the Saudi state" question again in a way that could easily end very badly for us? 

 

Hoping I'm very wrong but if Donald Fucking Trump somehow manages to destroy this football club, just when we finally have something to be hopeful for, after already destroying most of whatever good was left of my country... :angry:

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That’s just crazy talk. 
i say this as a dual citizen who grew up in Newcastle and California and has worked in politics and. Government for over 30

years in both countries. 
if Trump goes down and PIF is involved SA and PIF will be protected because it is politically advantageous and easy to do so.

i am not necessarily happy with this by the way, but that is the reality. 

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Very much hope you're right. PIF's $2Bn "investment" in Jared Kushner smells even worse today than it already did, but hopefully NUFC at least can just stay well clear of the muck. Just want to be able to enjoy the football now that there's finally so many good things happening.

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1 hour ago, Skjaere9 said:

As an American Toon supporter watching the increasingly absurd news roll in from Florida tonight, I have to say I'm starting to have a bad bad feeling that NUFC is somehow going to get caught up in Trump's downfall.

 

One of the more plausible seeming explanations for what's going on might be that Trump did some light treason with our nuclear secrets and laundered the payments via... the Saudi PIF? Which presumably would reopen the whole awkward "is the PIF separate from the Saudi state" question again in a way that could easily end very badly for us? 

 

Hoping I'm very wrong but if Donald Fucking Trump somehow manages to destroy this football club, just when we finally have something to be hopeful for, after already destroying most of whatever good was left of my country... :angry:

The west is currently begging SA for more oil, so I'd say the chances for any form of sanctions are zero. 

 

 

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PIF isn’t separate from the KSA state - it was always about piracy.  Dodgy deals with Trump, however unpleasant, won’t be enough to cause issues.

 

Besides, the PL claim to have had legal ‘proof’ of separation, so they’d need a solid case to go back on that.

 

The only worry you should have re Trump is that somehow he’s still got a decent chance of winning in 2024 …

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I must admit I struggle to see how anyone can listen to trump for more than a minute and not see he's a grifter.

 

Possibly shows just how disenfranchised some Americans must be if he is their saviour, which is sad 

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