HaydnNUFC Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 1 minute ago, TRon said: I said earlier in this thread that his philosophy is great, but I just don't think we've got the players to do attacking football, we'd not score enough goals get murdered on the counter. Could be very risky considering our league position. FWIW we've scored more goals so far than Norwich, Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Watford, Palace, Arsenal, Wolves, Spurs and Brighton. And scored the same amount as Brentford. I honestly think just the semblence of a plan, coaching and no days off would significantly improve us and Fonseca would bring that at the least. Attackers aren't our issue imo, it's Bruce and the defence. Because of Bruce we take a 1 goal lead and sit off, it's criminal with our defensive record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Nobody fancy Ten Hag ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ben said: Nobody fancy Ten Hag ? Yes. He seems to not be getting much media attention though. Could be a good thing I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Put my life savings on Fonseca, no pressure Doon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: FWIW we've scored more goals so far than Norwich, Burnley, Leeds, Southampton, Watford, Palace, Arsenal, Wolves, Spurs and Brighton. And scored the same amount as Brentford. I honestly think just the semblence of a plan, coaching and no days off would significantly improve us and Fonseca would bring that at the least. Attackers aren't our issue imo, it's Bruce and the defence. Because of Bruce we take a 1 goal lead and sit off, it's criminal with our defensive record. I just remember when Rafa went 4-4-2 for a while it was a disaster. We could only defend effectively when we sat back in numbers. That said, we had Joselu then, now we've got Wilson and Max, so we do have a bit more firepower, assuming they are fit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Just now, TRon said: I just remember when Rafa went 4-4-2 for a while it was a disaster. We could only defend effectively when we sat back in numbers. That said, we had Joselu then, now we've got Wilson and Max, so we do have a bit more firepower, assuming they are fit. I vaguely remember that, was in 2017-18 when we went on that 1 point from 27 run from November-December. We sit back in numbers now but remain a shambles. The brilliance of ASM and quality of Wilson has got us most of the goals we've scored this season, that'll change with a change of manager. I stand by that we have decent players and okay squad at PL level, but when you've got players in the wrong positions, plodders playing instead of our best options, constant days off training and no semblance of any real identity you're going to struggle. And that stems from the manager. I don't care if the new owners have just come in and think they have 'time on their side' or whatever, each day Bruce stays he kills this club a little more, making the damage ever more irreparable for a replacement. Get rid now and whether it's Fonseca that comes in or whoever, we have a good chance of getting ourselves out of this mess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, TRon said: I said earlier in this thread that his philosophy is great, but I just don't think we've got the players to do attacking football, we'd not score enough goals get murdered on the counter. Could be very risky considering our league position. I'm not so sure. A trio of Almiron, Willock and ASM behind Wilson should be able to cause teams some problems with better instructions for that foursome to follow. Lots of pace, running and dribbling in those 4, and Wilson, Max and Willock can finish when in good positions. Fraser should also be able to add something off the bench too in one of those attacking midfielder slots. Please lets not forget that up until now we still have not seen some trio from Almiron, Fraser, ASM and Willock ever play off Wilson at any point for some reason. Regarding a defensive setup to help tighten us up that article on Fonseca talks about a very compact mid block he used at Shakhtar, which could be an option, and something we have never tried under Bruce. In actuality what have we tried under Bruce, other than just sit in our box and invite tons of pressure until we concede, because we don't have anyone upfield to release the ball to and get forward. Supposedly that is how you defend. It's ludicrous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Seems barely anyone uses 4231 anymore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: I'm not so sure. A trio of Almiron, Willock and ASM behind Wilson should be able to cause teams some problems with better instructions for that foursome to follow. Lots of pace, running and dribbling in those 4, and Wilson, Max and Willock can finish when in good positions. Fraser should also be able to add something off the bench too in one of those attacking midfielder slots. Please lets not forget that up until now we still have not seen some trio from Almiron, Fraser, ASM and Willock ever play off Wilson at any point for some reason. Regarding a defensive setup to help tighten us up that article on Fonseca talks about a very compact mid block he used at Shakhtar, which could be an option, and something we have never tried under Bruce. In actuality what have we tried under Bruce, other than just sit in our box and invite tons of pressure until we concede, because we don't have anyone upfield to release the ball to and get forward. Supposedly that is how you defend. It's ludicrous. I wonder which midfielders we have that could effect a compact block? I'm assuming Fonseca is of the Poch mode and he likes to push up and press the opposition when we don't have the ball. Can you imagine that with Ritchie and Shelvey? Or Longstaff for that matter. But Fonseca won't be a mug, he'll probably adapt to the players he's got to work with. At least he's got some football ideas, unlike our current coach who's "let's play" mantra is about as tactical as he gets. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, TRon said: I wonder which midfielders we have that could effect a compact block? I'm assuming Fonseca is of the Poch mode and he likes to push up and press the opposition when we don't have the ball. Can you imagine that with Ritchie and Shelvey? Or Longstaff for that matter. But Fonseca won't be a mug, he'll probably adapt to the players he's got to work with. At least he's got some football ideas, unlike our current coach who's "let's play" mantra is about as tactical as he gets. Yes, exactly, The key thing is getting someone in there capable of actually thinking about these things and finding the right solutions for the players we have. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abacus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Well, Bruce doesn't do either attack or defence. So having a coach that could do either of those things would be an improvement beyond the dreams of man. Yes, you wonder about the capabilities of the squad, but they'd all improve under someone with a working brain. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon No9 Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Either Emery or Fonseca would do it for me. Would be nice with a manager who actually has an idea of how he wants his team to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 35 minutes ago, xLiaaamx said: Seems barely anyone uses 4231 anymore. Southgate ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 We showed at the back end of last season that our attack is more than capable of playing, causing the likes of Everton, Spurs and Leicester issues, they're just handicapped by dogshit coaching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Miquel Delaney said on Second Captains today that Mehrdad Ghodoussi had been contacting agents of managers directly about the job and that either McParland or Brown hadn’t been contacted by the club all week. Hope someone gets appointed in a football director role asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Apparently Mehrdad wants a top manager to come in. Maybe he didn't fancy the managers McParland and Brown were suggesting, as they were probably more likely to be the ones suggesting Gerrard and Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, CFlan said: Miquel Delaney said on Second Captains today that Mehrdad Ghodoussi had been contacting agents of managers directly about the job and that either McParland or Brown hadn’t been contacted by the club all week. Hope someone gets appointed in a football director role asap. There is no shred of doubt he is the last reporter who will be getting any inside information coming from the new owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 He said it was coming from the agents Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, KaKa said: Apparently Mehrdad wants a top manager to come in. Maybe he didn't fancy the managers McParland and Brown were suggesting, as they were probably more likely to be the ones suggesting Gerrard and Lampard. Does he have a role with us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elephant Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 I’m actually happy that the new regime is carefully picking the right man for the job. If you make quick decision, you end up with someone like Fonseca or Favre - and I don’t think they are right for this club. Both of them are terrible at organizing defense and in this league you need to make sure that the back line is tight. Almost everyone is better than Bruce and I would love to see Jones taking the interim job, because I want to see him gone. But the next manager is absolutely vital, it sets the tone for the next few years. W A I T Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 12 minutes ago, Elephant said: I’m actually happy that the new regime is carefully picking the right man for the job. If you make quick decision, you end up with someone like Fonseca or Favre - and I don’t think they are right for this club. Both of them are terrible at organizing defense and in this league you need to make sure that the back line is tight. Almost everyone is better than Bruce and I would love to see Jones taking the interim job, because I want to see him gone. But the next manager is absolutely vital, it sets the tone for the next few years. W A I T Who realistically is right would you say out of the ones linked ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazarus Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 23 minutes ago, Elephant said: I’m actually happy that the new regime is carefully picking the right man for the job. If you make quick decision, you end up with someone like Fonseca or Favre - and I don’t think they are right for this club. Both of them are terrible at organizing defense and in this league you need to make sure that the back line is tight. Almost everyone is better than Bruce and I would love to see Jones taking the interim job, because I want to see him gone. But the next manager is absolutely vital, it sets the tone for the next few years. W A I T That last bit is familiar..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
InspectorCoarse Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 " The lukewarm reaction to Ralf Ragnick hints that there are certain preferences within the ownership group. I've been told Ragnick is very keen on the United job and has told friends he has already been sketching ideas for his vision at Newcastle. A title tilt in three years is his belief and he has the CV to match it. But there's been no contact - yet - and a report last week claimed interest wasn't there." From The Chronicle . FFS whats wrong with these people ? Go get him ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 Bloody hell. We are going to have to start making a move for people soon. No time for dilly dallying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicane Posted October 18, 2021 Share Posted October 18, 2021 (edited) Would be the most Newcastle thing ever if our new owners were just pure ??? and ended up being worse than Ashley Big sam as manager and Harry Redknapp as DoF let's gooo Edited October 18, 2021 by Chicane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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