Thorpinho Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Martinez and Lampard are the two i really don't want. Absolute fraud and would be so gutting in the context of the quality of other candidates discussed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 The journos, like us are completely in the dark. We have absolutely no idea where they are in their process, an announcement could be as soon as this weekend or as far as the international break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Tbf it's not an approach or anything significant, just putting 2 and 2 together with the Jones connection. But next week hopefully that front-runner will be clear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Crazy People don't want Martinez and call him Fraud yet they think his assistant for number of years (Jones) is great Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Strawberry said: Crazy People don't want Martinez and call him Fraud yet they think his assistant for number of years (Jones) is great I'm not sure why that sounds so ridiculous. A manager's record isn't necessarily a reflection of his number two. Martinez has taken every team he's managed backwards. Having said that, I've not seen many people describing Jones as great. Edited October 29, 2021 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, Wullie said: Can't overstate how disappointed I would be with Roberto Martinez. Yeap, same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Strawberry said: Crazy People don't want Martinez and call him Fraud yet they think his assistant for number of years (Jones) is great Jones is just a coach, I don’t want him as manager either. Martinez is a proven failure outside of an FA cup win with Wigan, can’t organise a defence even with the best selection of defenders available anywhere in the world and what’s more he looks and sounds like an inside sales manager in a recruitment consultancy. Belgium and Everton didn’t play great football either, it was very much the same sort of shite you see up at man United under ole. A disorganised rabble hoping for one of the superstars to win the game for him, I’ve had a lifetime of that shite and want something else tbh. Edited October 29, 2021 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixelphish Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, Strawberry said: Crazy People don't want Martinez and call him Fraud yet they think his assistant for number of years (Jones) is great Has anyone called Jones great? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 A big fuck off to Martínez. If Jones is championing him he can fuck off n'al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: Jones is just a coach, I don’t want him as manager either. Martinez is a proven failure outside of an FA cup win with Wigan, can’t organise a defence even with the best selection of defenders available anywhere in the world and what’s more he looks and sounds like an inside sales manager in a recruitment consultancy. Is it not conceivable he might have learned something from his decent Everton spell, and by managing the top ranked international team for several years? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I’m not sure Jones is anything special as a coach and I think Martinez’s career would be toast if he hadn’t lucked out with the Belgium job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Anderson said: Really surprised there's not at least an accepted front runner by now, even if nothing had been announced. Bookies have no idea who it'll be, favourite back out to 4/1 atm. Thought we'd be close to an announcement by now with the new manager getting ready to take over after this weekend's game. With all sides (ours and prospective managers) keeping silent the media have little to go on. Our side said Jones would be in charge till after Chelsea and that's what's happened. I'm OK with Brighton even. Ill be concerned if we have no one in by Brentford. Edited October 29, 2021 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, gjohnson said: Is it not conceivable he might have learned something from his decent Everton spell, and by managing the top ranked international team for several years? He’s managed Belgium into also rans and wasted an entire generation of ballers man. Like fair enough if he gets the job I’m not gonna want him sacked tomorrow but I’ve just spent three weeks fantasising like a shipping clerk in a Chinese opium den, he will be a comedown and a half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Other than terry all of the mentioned names would likely do enough to keep us up, martinez and lampard included. It seems increasingly likely this appointment will be one for the mid term at best. Maybe there are some bigger names we don't know about or ten Hag is interested. The majority of those linked seem like placeholders until the manager we want becomes available. We have to do what we have to do with what is available right now with where we are at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 10 minutes ago, The Prophet said: I'm not sure why that sounds so ridiculous. A manager's record isn't necessarily a reflection of his number two. Martinez has taken every team he's managed backwards. Having said that, I've not seen many people describing Jones as great. is this true? did he take swansea backwards? wigan backwards? has he taken belgium backwards? all genuine questions by the way, not having a go ( I know he did at everton after a great first season). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 He was sacked from Everton after a run of 1 win in 10, they were 6 points off the drop. It would be the equivalent of saying Pardew did well here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Fonseca, Favre. Both out of work, both attainable, both competent and both of whom the fans would get behind. Get one of them done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawberry Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, lovejoy said: is this true? did he take swansea backwards? wigan backwards? has he taken belgium backwards? all genuine questions by the way, not having a go ( I know he did at everton after a great first season). The simple answer is NO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, The Prophet said: He was sacked from Everton after a run of 1 win in 10, they were 6 points off the drop. It would be the equivalent of saying Pardew did well here. Also his 1 good season there in 2013-14, he went to Everton replacing Moyes. Martinez benefitted from defensive tendencies instilled by Moyes but after those wore off the following season, Everton were a shambles defensively in his last 2 seasons. A bit like Bruce benefitting from Benitez' defensive organisation in 2019-20 pre COVID. That's now wore off. Same sort of thing. He's miles ahead of Bruce, but it would be even more underwhelming than someone like Howe imo. Should stay well clear. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: He was sacked from Everton after a run of 1 win in 10, they were 6 points off the drop. It would be the equivalent of saying Pardew did well here. yeah, i'm saying he took everton backwards (after a records points tally in his first season). My question is did he do similar at wigan, swansea and belgium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloydianMag Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10145303/Newcastle-boss-Graeme-Jones-SCRAPS-days-players-ahead-Chelsea-visit-Saturday.html More talks...the new monitoring! Amateur If its Martinez, they have no clue! Should you not be on Groomers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Strawberry said: The simple answer is NO. He took Swansea from the third division to the second, left to go to Wigan, won an fa cup and relegated them in the same season. He took over an Everton side that was rigid, compact and built for defending and enjoyed a season of decent form before the defensive wall he’d been left fell apart (sound familiar?). Then he did nothing, spent loads of money on dross, got sacked and went to Belgium, where he made the best group of players available to any country look good in qualifiers but nowhere near good enough to deal with proper elite sides in the late stages of competitions. Now Belgium have aged away their biggest opportunities and people around him are agitating for him to jump before he is pushed. The last part I’ve just pulled out of my arse but I’m writing it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: He took Swansea from the third division to the second, left to go to Wigan, won an fa cup and relegated them in the same season. He took over an Everton side that was rigid, compact and built for defending and enjoyed a season of decent form before the defensive wall he’d been left fell apart (sound familiar?). Then he did nothing, spent loads of money on dross, got sacked and went to Belgium, where he made the best group of players available to any country look good in qualifiers but nowhere near good enough to deal with proper elite sides in the late stages of competitions. Now Belgium have aged away their biggest opportunities and people around him are agitating for him to jump before he is pushed. The last part I’ve just pulled out of my arse but I’m writing it anyway. This in a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just needs someone with a plan and we should stay up. I’d include Howe, Lampard & Martinez in that. They’d be bottom of the list but I’m literally in the ‘anyone but Bruce would keep us up’ camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 It's going to be Martinez isn't it. I suppose he should be good enough to avoid relegation and get us into a comfortable mid-table position, so if he does that he will have done a decent enough job. I'd be very worried going forward after that though, giving him a chequebook. The money we have to spend in these early years needs to be spent incredibly wisely and I could see us wasting tens of millions on garbage like Ross Berkeley under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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