TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Wandy said: I don't think he has 18 games to be honest. With Benitez now lurking in the background I think he has about 5 games to show that he WILL get us out of this. Not saying that would be the correct thing to do but I just think it will happen. The murmurs in the fanbase have started and if we are still bottom three at the end of Feb then I think there will be a helluva a noise from that same fanbase. He should have shown more flexibility IMO, and yes results do matter, but long term I think he would be more of an answer than someone like Rafa or Mourinho. Tbh, I'm getting fed up with this harking back to Rafa, he's shown nothing since he left here, he flopped in China, now he's made an even bigger mess at Everton. I really don't want to rag on the bloke, but it's disrespectful to Howe to be talking about him after 11 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, The Prophet said: I do really think he's struggled to get the balance right. We either look relatively compact and turgid in the final third, or we incredibly easy to play through and threatening up top. Having an absolutely terrible midfield plays a part in that, but it's on him to solve it. I'm worried more that it's on Nickson to sort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Manxst said: A Conte/Pep/Klopp hybrid would struggle to get anything out of this squad man. No matter how well the likes of Potter are doing, I genuinely doubt whether they’d be able to do any better than Howe with us. The club is just rancid from top to bottom, and certainly throughout the squad. It’s going to take a hell of a long, expensive rebuild to turn this ship around. Get away man, man for man we have a far better squad that Norwich and look what Dean Smith has got out of them compared to Howe and don’t get me started on Brentford. We are shocking in defence yet still refuses to play our best defender and keeps playing Captain catastrophe no matter the goals he gives away. Howe hasn’t got the balls to drop the players he needs to drop Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, r0cafella said: @ManDoonhas spoken on it before. It can’t be Bruce is awful and so is the squad as we would have been long since relegated. I do believe Bruce to be a completely garbage mind. I don't think it's as straightforward and linear as that though. We were eight games into a season and the standards of the squad had somehow managed to reach new lows. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Probably wrong thread, but what about a diamond again? With Longataff at the bottom of it as terrible DM, ASM left, Fraser right, Willock at the top, free to make runs, press. Behind Wood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Shearergol said: Not sure if you're referring to my point on Potter, but that wasn't what I meant. I meant that managers need time and the good ones manage to get their teams playing a certain way. We don't have that at the moment, partly because the players aren't capable, and partly because Howe hasn't had time to get us playing the way he wants. I'm certain he eventually will, but it will take a couple of years. This. He's playing the right way, just look at all the successful teams these days. But short term he should be prepared to do whatever it takes to keep us up, even if that means parking the bus in the odd game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manxst Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, nufcnick said: Get away man, man for man we have a far better squad that Norwich and look what Dean Smith has got out of them compared to Howe and don’t get me started on Brentford. We are shocking in defence yet still refuses to play our best defender and keeps playing Captain catastrophe no matter the goals he gives away. Howe hasn’t got the balls to drop the players he needs to drop A far better squad? I honestly don’t think we do. Puki, Aarons, Cantwell would easily make ours, as well as others, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: Get away man, man for man we have a far better squad that Norwich and look what Dean Smith has got out of them compared to Howe and don’t get me started on Brentford. We are shocking in defence yet still refuses to play our best defender and keeps playing Captain catastrophe no matter the goals he gives away. Howe hasn’t got the balls to drop the players he needs to drop Right now, Lascelles can't get dropped as we have to other CBs other then Clark, not sure what else Howe is meant to do other then play him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DJ_NUFC said: Probably wrong thread, but what about a diamond again? With Longataff at the bottom of it as terrible DM, ASM left, Fraser right, Willock at the top, free to make runs, press. Behind Wood. Longstaff is better at the top of the diamond (still awful) than the bottom of it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Which is why the no links to CM has me extremely worried. I don't care there are better CMs available in world football than we have now. That's a failure on someones part if we don't get one at the minimum At this point I feel like Sarah Connor, carving NO CM into a wooden bench with a knife. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: FWIW I do think we're getting more, just not to the extent that it's ending up in wins. That’s the thing though KI, so your argument is basically our players have regressed so much to the point the manager can’t add value? And everyone else has gotten that much better on top of it? It’s just a stretch for me that’s all. As some have pointed out I don’t feel our squad is much different to the other dregs and that come the end of the season Howe will have had enough time for us to make a decision about his future (get rid if relegated for me). Edited January 21, 2022 by r0cafella Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Shearergol said: Longstaff is better at the top of the diamond (still awful) than the bottom of it. Im just trying to see how best we can rekindle some life into Willock. Give him free reign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, ManDoon said: Sure but as it stands they have a 11 point buffer from relegation, I agree they have been poor in large but my point is that I think if Simeone came in here we wouldn't be relegated. I don't think the "no manager could turn this around" thing is true. Howe himself beleives it not to be true, I don't agree with that statement either. I think we'll stay up, personally, but it'll be tight. I just find the 10 games thing a bit OTT to make big judgments, personally. It's not a long time in football and form/performances can be extremely variable for many reasons. Very good teams/managers go through rough spells (not saying we have either). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I don't believe his mandate was just to keep us up. After he was appointed Amanda spoke about the possibilities of relegation and that Howe had a lot of experience with getting a side promoted. If he keeps us up it'll be a massive bonus but this team has been on a massive downwards slide for over 2 years. Some of these players should have been replaced years ago and most of them will never get into another PL side. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 After he wanked off Shelvey in regards to him being integral in his plans my faith dwindled. After seeing a even worse squad in Norwich pick up wins, its drifting more away. I dont think Howe has any clue how to save this squad, and honestly was the wrong pick, he might have talked big game at the interview but what he has shown against awful sides leads me to believe that he is not the man to get a tune out of these awful players. You can talk all you want about him getting the players he wants to play how he wants. But this man seemingly talked big game about how the squad was underperforming, how he saw how to fix it, what his plan was with the players. What have we seen? Better fitness and a string of luck to put Joe in midfield after Clark decided to be a fucking idiot? He seems like a good guy, but I think we bet on the wrong horse here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, 54 said: Right now, Lascelles can't get dropped as we have to other CBs other then Clark, not sure what else Howe is meant to do other then play him He refused to play federico fernandez(consistently our best defender) until he had to bring him on against Norwich (who instantly made the defence more solid) and then dropped him the very next game. Howe is nothing but a skinny Steve Bruce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, r0cafella said: That’s the thing though KI, so your argument is basically our players have regressed so much to the point the manager can’t add value? And everyone else has gotten that much better on top of it? It’s just a stretch for me that’s all. As some have pointed out I don’t feel our squad is much different to the other dregs and that come the end of the season Howe will have had enough time for us to make a decision about his future (get rid of relegated for me). It's not an argument really, I can definitely see why someone would think he could be getting more out of the squad, I just see it that he's getting what can be gotten from it and is hitting a glass ceiling because of the quality of the players. I think you can make the case that Norwich and Burnley are on par with our squads, (although I think there are more players from their teams that get in ours than vice verse) but Watford's squad is much better than ours overall imo. Hopefully the signings are the thing that smashes through that glass ceiling and we start getting some wins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, ManDoon said: Same here, it's like the life reflecting art. People were meming "concerned' and "think we need a CM' and its come to haunt us. Typical Newcastle I’ve long come to accept that every single meme and conspiracy theory, when related to NUFC, is 100% true or just on the verge of becoming true. I fully expect to discover a 5G tower near SJP built by Bill Gates that was used by the Wuhan Institute of Virology to create a virus that takes hold of every player and manager and owner to ensure we get royally fucked in all football related matters. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Rich said: He’d have to go if we went down like. Seems a decent bloke but he’ll have had enough time and backing in the market to turn it around. Don’t think he could have any arguments. I don't know if you are part of this crowd, but I see a name or two I recognize that liked your post this applies to. This sentiment was very different on here a month or two ago where many people said relegation was more or less guaranteed, but that we'd have a small chance of staying up if we got in 6+ players, and that Howe regardless of results this season should keep the job in the championship. So with 1 good signing in a position that wasn't necessarily a high priority, and one average signing albeit in a position that turned out was necessary, he is now expected to have enough to keep us up? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: He refused to play federico fernandez(consistently our best defender) until he had to bring him on against Norwich (who instantly made the defence more solid) and then dropped him the very next game. Howe is nothing but a skinny Steve Bruce Decent point, completely ruined by that wank at the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Gallowgate Toon said: I don't agree with that statement either. I think we'll stay up, personally, but it'll be tight. I just find the 10 games thing a bit OTT to make big judgments, personally. It's not a long time in football and form/performances can be extremely variable for many reasons. Very good teams/managers go through rough spells (not saying we have either). 10 games is more than enough time to make your mark and put your own thoughts into a team, he’s done fuck all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Conjo said: I don't know if you are part of this crowd, but I see a name or two I recognize that liked your post this applies to. This sentiment was very different on here a month or two ago where many people said relegation was more or less guaranteed, but that we'd have a small chance of staying up if we got in 6+ players, and that Howe regardless of results this season should keep the job in the championship. So with 1 good signing in a position that wasn't necessarily a high priority, and one average signing albeit in a position that turned out was necessary, he is now expected to have enough to keep us up? I have never been more than a 6 on the old Relegationometer, and that's just recent, so doesn't apply here. With that in mind, you're ignoring the remaining 10 days of the window and 18 games we've got left to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
elbee909 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: 10 games is more than enough time to make your mark and put your own thoughts into a team, he’s done fuck all Change the bloody record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Rich said: Decent point, completely ruined by that wank at the end. Yeah sorry, maybe I went a little too far with the skinny Steve Bruce comment Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, nufcnick said: 10 games is more than enough time to make your mark and put your own thoughts into a team, he’s done fuck all So you'd have wanted Keegan booted out after his first 10 games into his second spell then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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