nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, elbee909 said: Change the bloody record. Why, when it’s a completely valid point Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, nufcnick said: Why, when it’s a completely valid point I think it's more that you're making it over and over again without really adding anything to the conversation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Rich said: I have never been more than a 6 on the old Relegationometer, and that's just recent, so doesn't apply here. With that in mind, you're ignoring the remaining 10 days of the window and 18 games we've got left to play. Yes I am. It's pointless arguing that he's had enough backing in the market based on something that hasn't happened yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouldy_uk Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 A poor performance against Leeds and a lack of transfer activity (I know that isn’t all down to him), is going to increase the pressure massively Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Gallowgate Toon said: So you'd have wanted Keegan booted out after his first 10 games into his second spell then? Keegan automatically gets time because of past successes, and you could see the change under keegan, with Howe the only difference between him and Bruce is the team is 15 yards higher up the pitch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, nufcnick said: He refused to play federico fernandez(consistently our best defender) until he had to bring him on against Norwich (who instantly made the defence more solid) and then dropped him the very next game. Howe is nothing but a skinny Steve Bruce We don't actually know that though. Could be Fernandez himself has been crying off for a lot of games. It's all speculation at this point one way or the other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Other than Rafa who would we even get in here go he goes anyway ? We struggled to get anyone in before appointing him and if anything or situation is arguably worse now than it was then. I think Potter could be tempted. I honestly think we missed a trick not pursuing him. In hindsight of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, mouldy_uk said: A poor performance against Leeds and a lack of transfer activity (I know that isn’t all down to him), is going to increase the pressure massively Hardly a lack of activity ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: Keegan automatically gets time because of past successes, and you could see the change under keegan, with Howe the only difference between him and Bruce is the team is 15 yards higher up the pitch No you couldn't, it was absolutely horrific for the first 8 games, and there were plenty of knee jerk wankers saying we should never have brought him back, bring back Allardyce etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 27 minutes ago, TRon said: He should have shown more flexibility IMO, and yes results do matter, but long term I think he would be more of an answer than someone like Rafa or Mourinho. Tbh, I'm getting fed up with this harking back to Rafa, he's shown nothing since he left here, he flopped in China, now he's made an even bigger mess at Everton. I really don't want to rag on the bloke, but it's disrespectful to Howe to be talking about him after 11 games. Benitez wouldn't be the long-term answer to getting this club back into the top 8 but I think he'd keep this squad up. It wouldn't be sentiment that would have me harking for him to return, but more like pure pragmatism. We absolutely need to stay up this season. I really don't understand the relaxed attitude towards relegation from some quarters. It will be a disaster and nobody can say with certainty what the consequences of it will be. Edited January 21, 2022 by Wandy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Thumbheed said: I think Potter could be tempted. I honestly think we missed a trick not pursuing him. In hindsight of course. Based of his comments regarding the Everton job, we had and have zero chance getting him without a proper structure in place Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 40 minutes ago, Rich said: He’d have to go if we went down like. Seems a decent bloke but he’ll have had enough time and backing in the market to turn it around. Don’t think he could have any arguments. I don’t see it quite as black and white as this. Say we hit a bit of a run of form, we are playing well and it is really tight. Like we go down on the last day or something. Other teams around us have been picking up points as well, so the points total to stop up isn’t as low as we are all expecting. If there is actually a bit of positivity around the place and what the team is doing. Then I wouldn’t be adverse to keeping him. The same as Rafa, although I appreciate he had far less time to turn it around when we went down that year. If we carry on as we are and the play doesn’t improve, along with the results. Then yeah, off you fuck Mr Howe. Especially if we get 3-4 more players in this month. All hypotheticals at the minute. I like him and what he is trying to do and would love it to work out for him here. Short and long term. I am just worried it’s not going to work out for various reasons. I’d say from watching us every week. I think we should be odds on to go down. Not odds against like we are with some firms. We look finished already. Unable to see out wins and the players just look mentally shot. Seems the pressure of fans being back in the ground and the relegation zone is just too much for the fragile fuckers to handle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, TRon said: No you couldn't, it was absolutely horrific for the first 8 games, and there were plenty of knee jerk wankers saying we should never have brought him back, bring back Allardyce etc. was it against Birmingham that we were absolutely dreadful in the first half and went into HT 0-1 down? I was convinced we were finally going down (lol just remembering the dread at the concept of our first relegation). But incredibly, Owen pulled it back for us in the second half and it was a changed team from then on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Jinx Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Aside from the new signings, every single player in the side minus Wilson and ASM needs to be cut loose. Its like having black mould on your walls and only painting over a bit of it.. it still remains and will spread quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 33 minutes ago, ManDoon said: See I don't necessarily beleive that to be true tbh. Sure the team is dog, but look at how Leeds performed against West Ham, with hugely depleted sqaud. That's all their manager, that's his play style. All the youth players coming on played the way he wanted them to. This is his 4th season, he probably signed all those youth players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, SUPERTOON said: Based of his comments regarding the Everton job, we had and have zero chance getting him without a proper structure in place Perhaps, and we're likely never to know but I do think we offer a completely different proposition to Everton as we're one of the few clubs in the world without a glass ceiling. And as for structure,we'll don't have it yet, but it's clearly something we're looking to address. Our public pursuit of Dan Ashworth helps that's narrative. Final point is he's clearly prepared to go down as he's essentially I that position every season (or should be) with Brighton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, DJ_NUFC said: was it against Birmingham that we were absolutely dreadful in the first half and went into HT 0-1 down? I was convinced we were finally going down (lol just remembering the dread at the concept of our first relegation). But incredibly, Owen pulled it back for us in the second half and it was a changed team from then on. Don't remember the exact specifics (as usual) but I do recall backing KK publicly, but in private getting more and more worried as the games ran down. But what will always stick in my mind is Keegan telling the players to keep passing, to keep playing and not worry about results, he would take complete responsibility for them. That was him to a tee though, he always knew how to get the best out of even the shittest bunch of players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just remember that only two weeks ago we had one of the worst results in our history, so the idea that the current manager is blameless is bullshit. He has also had the luxury of the most supportive home crowd for at least 15 years and we have little to show for it. Even Rafa didn't have that luxury and Bruce achieved results against the exact opposite backdrop. The honeymoon is over and it's time that the support showed it's teeth a little more as we are sleepwalking into the Championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, Wandy said: Just remember that only two weeks ago we had one of the worst results in our history, so the idea that the current manager is blameless is bullshit. He has also had the luxury of the most supportive home crowd for at least 15 years and we have little to show for it. Even Rafa didn't have that luxury and Bruce achieved results against the exact opposite backdrop. The honeymoon is over and it's time that the support showed it's teeth a little more as we are sleepwalking into the Championship. fuckin hell man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/howe-pre-leeds-a-media-briefing-21-22/ press conference now online Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny1403 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, Wandy said: Just remember that only two weeks ago we had one of the worst results in our history, so the idea that the current manager is blameless is bullshit. He has also had the luxury of the most supportive home crowd for at least 15 years and we have little to show for it. Even Rafa didn't have that luxury and Bruce achieved results against the exact opposite backdrop. The honeymoon is over and it's time that the support showed it's teeth a little more as we are sleepwalking into the Championship. Christ our fans Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I expected more of an improvement in results, but let’s face it, he has probably the worst set of players of any manager in our recent history. The squad is absolutely terrible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ9 Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 While I don’t think he should be sacked, there’s going to be a lot of pressure and scrutiny should we lose. Some of it it entirely warranted IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, GWN said: https://www.nufc.co.uk/nufc-tv/latest-videos/howe-pre-leeds-a-media-briefing-21-22/ press conference now online He sounds absolutely fucking knackered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I've said it before but I think Howe is probably doing too much like, probably on himself to a degree as he no doubt will want as much control as possible It's hard to properly judge him when all of the systems aren't in place. It should change in the summer we just need to get there first Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now