Dokko Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 More chance us staying up with rada after Leeds than Howe Imho. Depends on whether it's survive at all costs or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 January was supposed to be our saviour month where we start to turn it around after the nightmare fixtures in December. We have been utter lifting in the two games so far though. Needs to get a tune out of these useless fuckers and it needs to start tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Dokko said: Naa. Villa hired well and signed well. Norwich who had no chance are now doing what we should be doing. Like I said in the other matches thread, Souness started off his Newcastle career with 4 wins on the trot. I would hold on and see how the rest of the season pans out before jumping to conclusions. The Villa board sacked Smith and replaced him with Gerrard. They can't be right on both counts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 37 minutes ago, TRon said: Like I said in the other matches thread, Souness started off his Newcastle career with 4 wins on the trot. I would hold on and see how the rest of the season pans out before jumping to conclusions. The Villa board sacked Smith and replaced him with Gerrard. They can't be right on both counts. They quite easily can, to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Not gonna lie the Norwich win tonight has pissed me right off after our pathetic performance last week. I’ve kind of given up and accepted relegation but if we keep losing and drawing against utter dross with shit performances for the rest of the season I’ll want him binned off for the Championship tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Decky said: Not gonna lie the Norwich win tonight has pissed me right off after our pathetic performance last week. I’ve kind of given up and accepted relegation but if we keep losing and drawing against utter dross with shit performances for the rest of the season I’ll want him binned off for the Championship tbh. After a draw it was the best result for us. Now it's up to us to get players in. I'd have taken 6pts from safety on 1st Feb if we get the players in. Its 4pts at the minute, could be less tomorrow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Howe has inherited an utter shitshow but it's his job to try and fix it. I think everyone hopes he can and he certainly talks a good game but it's got to translate into results at some point. He was appointed to fix the problems, he either does or he doesn't. He's under no illusions and neither are the fans, another few shit results and he'll be struggling to hang on imo, which would be a real shame as I think he's a nice bloke with many qualities. I don't want him out and I want him to turn it around but something's got to happen soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) It’s more about how a poor Norwich team wiped the floor with Watford away from home and we couldn’t beat them at SJP. Im still in support of Howe but I’m started to get worried with recent performances. Edited January 22, 2022 by Decky Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 45 minutes ago, Ronaldo said: They quite easily can, to be fair. If you look short term maybe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 hour ago, TRon said: Like I said in the other matches thread, Souness started off his Newcastle career with 4 wins on the trot. I would hold on and see how the rest of the season pans out before jumping to conclusions. The Villa board sacked Smith and replaced him with Gerrard. They can't be right on both counts. They absolutely can be - the two clubs have entirely different expectations. Real Madrid sacked Rafa and we appointed him - we couldn’t have both been right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: They absolutely can be - the two clubs have entirely different expectations. Real Madrid sacked Rafa and we appointed him - we couldn’t have both been right? What the fuck have we got in common with Real Madrid at this point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 15 minutes ago, TRon said: What the fuck have we got in common with Real Madrid at this point? Nothing - the point was that the Villa board could absolutely be correct on sacking Smith and appointing Gerrard, as well as Norwich appointing Smith. The ‘can’t both be right’ is poor logic. Of course it can be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 9 hours ago, TRon said: Like I said in the other matches thread, Souness started off his Newcastle career with 4 wins on the trot. I would hold on and see how the rest of the season pans out before jumping to conclusions. The Villa board sacked Smith and replaced him with Gerrard. They can't be right on both counts. I don't think your point is as logical as you think. Real were right to sack Rafa and we were right to hire him. Plenty of examples of this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 7 hours ago, TRon said: What the fuck have we got in common with Real Madrid at this point? Ah right so MM has made the same point and this answer to it is deflecting from the point which is both clubs are doing better for their changes. Could be expectations, could be the fit for the club, but a manager can be sacked from one club and do well at another while the club he left also do better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I think a spanking of Leeds today and the fans will turn on Howe, especially after how easy Norwich dispatched Watford last night, maybe we should have gone after Dean smith ehh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izakaya Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Wouldn't mind a "Howe are we, Howe are we, Howe are we so fucking shit?" chant after the inevitable spanking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) Who would Dean Smith get a tune out of in our squad though? Howe also needs to massively raise the fitness levels of a lot of players in our squad as his style of play is completely different to Bruce. We're very imballanced and lacking players in key positions. Howe has made mistakes and has directly cost us points imo but I really don't think you just throw any daft manager in and they get results. Edited January 22, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) The last thing we want to do is start hurling abuse at anyone at the club like For multiple reasons. Edited January 22, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: Who would Dean Smith get a tune out of in our squad though? Howe also needs to massively raise the fitness levels of a lot of players in our squad as his style of olay is completely different to Bruce. We're very imballanced and lacking players in key positions. Howe has made mistakes and has directly cost us points imo but I really don't think you just throw any daft manager in and they get results. The Dean Smith comment was tongue in cheek. Howe has now had almost 3 months with them so let’s not try and blame the performances on fitness ehh, which BTW is more than a preseason, so if he hasn’t got them fit now there is something wrong with his methods. I maintain Howe is a very poor manager and my point will be proven by the end of the season. We won’t even breach 22 points with him this season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 1 minute ago, nufcnick said: The Dean Smith comment was tongue in cheek. Howe has now had almost 3 months with them so let’s not try and blame the performances on fitness ehh, which BTW is more than a preseason, so if he hasn’t got them fit now there is something wrong with his methods. I maintain Howe is a very poor manager and my point will be proven by the end of the season. We won’t even breach 22 points with him this season Like the owners, talks a good story. Nothing else to show either are capable so far. Both need to turn it around fast or its relegation. If they aren't arsed and see relegation as an excuse to clear the decks then fair enough, their plan is working. Tbf this setup in the championship is fine or at the beginning of any season, it's just tmright here and right now where survival is critical it isn't enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, nufcnick said: The Dean Smith comment was tongue in cheek. Howe has now had almost 3 months with them so let’s not try and blame the performances on fitness ehh, which BTW is more than a preseason, so if he hasn’t got them fit now there is something wrong with his methods. I maintain Howe is a very poor manager and my point will be proven by the end of the season. We won’t even breach 22 points with him this season You can't get a squad in shape over the space of a few months man. They have elite level, 90 minute matches to play every week ontop of everything else they do. It's obviously a process. Ideally you want a proper pre-season with them. Edited January 22, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcnick Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 Just now, Hanshithispantz said: You don't just gain imnense levels of fitness over a few months man They seem to manage that in under 2 months in pre-season after 2 months of doing almost nothing, also remember these lazy fuckers had been playing football for 4 months under cabbage head before Howe came in so they would have been fitter than at the start of a pre-season, so please stop trying to blame fitness on poor performances on the pitch. If he hasn’t got them fit enough now he needs to go. Seem to remember Rafa only taking a month to get the fitness levels where they should be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, nufcnick said: They seem to manage that in under 2 months in pre-season after 2 months of doing almost nothing, also remember these lazy fuckers had been playing football for 4 months under cabbage head before Howe came in so they would have been fitter than at the start of a pre-season, so please stop trying to blame fitness on poor performances on the pitch. If he hasn’t got them fit enough now he needs to go. Seem to remember Rafa only taking a month to get the fitness levels where they should be. Aye I already edited my post as there's context which I thought you'd miss. It's not like we're just training to go running. We're in the middle of a season. Edited January 22, 2022 by Hanshithispantz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
christ Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 I’m not sure the issue is fitness now as much as it is a squad low on talent and low on confidence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Collage Posted January 22, 2022 Share Posted January 22, 2022 21 minutes ago, Izakaya said: Wouldn't mind a "Howe are we, Howe are we, Howe are we so fucking shit?" chant after the inevitable spanking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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