Eddie Howe

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

Interesting article on the beeb website -

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61247954

 

 

[South-Cheshire-Toon]

On the whole managerial front I'm taking the view that trying to compare managers from one era to those of another is like trying to mix oil and water - it's a waste of time.

The ethics of management up to a point, and the period 1992 - 1995 is where things started to change - were a whole lot different to those since.

 

The 'old' style, was as people have stated, pick the best 11, go out there and play interesting football - doesn't matter about the result.

But since the initial SKY era, things are now much more competitive, as in there is much more to loose, this being £'s and millions of them.

 

There has been much more of a focus on style, as in how to the opposition play, and how can we 'beat them', hence all of the formation switching, player rotation etc etc.

 

Yes, KK was a good manager, and Yes, Eddie is a good manager, but you can't compare the two - water and oil - as I see it.

[MrRaspberryJam]

Fair play to him. I was totally and utterly underwhelmed with the appointment after the U-turn from Emery. 

[54]

Remember when Eddie came in, there was a certain section of the media stating we'd regret not going for Gerrard? 

 

Not only have they been proven unbelievably wrong, but just even thinking about the idea makes me laugh. Howe has got us 6 points above Villa having both come in during the same week, despite them having a 6 point headstart, that's with Villa having a better and more fit squad of players, we'd be in Everton's position with him in charge. 

 

Recruitment would have been a laugh too, can you pictures Gerrard doing the hard hours and becoming the defacto DoF like Howe has, the difference between the two is utterly stark.

[Holmesy]

2 minutes ago, 54 said:

Remember when Eddie came in, there was a certain section of the media stating we'd regret not going for Gerrard? 

 

Not only have they been proven unbelievably wrong, but just even thinking about the idea makes me laugh. Howe has got us 6 points above Villa having both come in during the same week, despite them having a 6 point headstart, that's with Villa having a better and more fit squad of players, we'd be in Everton's position with him in charge. 

 

Recruitment would have been a laugh too, can you pictures Gerrard doing the hard hours and becoming the defacto DoF like Howe has, the difference between the two is utterly stark.

Lampard too. No mention of it since, funnily enough - it's almost like they know nothing, print shite and then pretend they didn't

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, Conjo said:

 

Keegan was a great manager for us, but it's difficult to argue he was a great manager since he didn't really accomplish much outside of his first management job with us. Listening to the Howey interview that was posted on here recently I was laughing when he was answering questions about how Keegan was in training and during team talks ahead of games. My impression was that they mostly played 5/7/11 a side games during training and pre-game preparations were basically him picking a team and telling them to go out and excite the fans. Doesn't exactly scream high level coaching

 

Pretty harsh. He managed two other clubs and delivered exactly what was expected with both (promotions). He got City to 9th in the PL - their highest finish in ten years - right after winning Division One title having outscored the rest of the league by 30-40 goals. 

 

Obviously his methods in today's context would be totally outdated but he was a clearly a talented manager in his time. 

[The College Dropout]

Aye Keegan for his era was a talented manager

[LV]

55 minutes ago, South-Cheshire-Toon said:

Interesting article on the beeb website -

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61247954

 

 

Pretty much a rehash of the Athletic article.

 

[Conjo]

7 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Pretty harsh. He managed two other clubs and delivered exactly what was expected with both (promotions). He got City to 9th in the PL - their highest finish in ten years - right after winning Division One title having outscored the rest of the league by 30-40 goals. 

 

Obviously his methods in today's context would be totally outdated but he was a clearly a talented manager in his time. 

 

It probably sounded harsher than intended. There's no doubt he did well other places as well, but I wouldn't say he did great (ref. for context earlier discussions above on good vs great). Fulham had just been taken over and he had a PL budget in division 2. Man City had just been relegated, retained most of their PL players bar Paul Dickov and added Pearce, Bernabia, Jihai Sun, Macken, Niclas Jensen, Berkovic and a few others and contrary to most relegated teams had a massive net spend. While the scoring record was amazing, automatic promotion was the minimum expectation. First season back to the PL they got Anelka, Schmeicel and Foe so in terms of their squad 9th isn't really that impressive. Good, not great.

[sushimonster85]

30 minutes ago, 54 said:

Remember when Eddie came in, there was a certain section of the media stating we'd regret not going for Gerrard? 

 

Not only have they been proven unbelievably wrong, but just even thinking about the idea makes me laugh. Howe has got us 6 points above Villa having both come in during the same week, despite them having a 6 point headstart, that's with Villa having a better and more fit squad of players, we'd be in Everton's position with him in charge. 

 

Recruitment would have been a laugh too, can you pictures Gerrard doing the hard hours and becoming the defacto DoF like Howe has, the difference between the two is utterly stark.

 

The media bandwagoning for both Gerrard and Lampard is so dumb. Just because they were both good, high profile players doesn't give them a divine right to be good coaches. They've both been given jobs (Lampard especially) way beyond their ability based purely on their name value.

 

Imagine some average League 2 level midfielder retires, then the first job they're given is a Championship team aiming for promotion. They fail to achieve that goal, and so immediately get given the Chelsea job. They fail there as well, and proceed to be linked with every PL vacancy going, before it's decided they're the ones to save a team from relegation. That team goes on to actually get worse and drop further down the league, only for the media to blame the bloke that was there previously and absolve this unknown former League 2 midfielder of any blame at all. That sounds mental, yet replace 'former league 2 midfielder' with 'Frank Lampard' and its exactly what it playing out. 

[The College Dropout]

There are no more than a couple dozen truly great players at any time so that metric is too high. But the likes of Guardiola, Simeone, Conte, Mancini, Enrique and Ancelotti were competing at the elite end of the game as players. National caps and tournaments, won multiple leagues, cups and continental competitions.  
 

England / Britain are rarely producing good managers at all so it’s difficult to talk. 
 

Moyes

Potter

Howe

Southgate

Hodgson

 

probably the top 5 (no order). 6-10 you’d really struggle and would want to include Big Sam as an active manager.  Brucey might even make top 10 due to the promotions.  Hughton certainly.  

[Menace]

I know Hughton gets a lot of praise for the job he did here, but overall he's generally a pretty poor manager imo.

 

Looking at that West Ham team, there's no reason why we can't challenge them player for player next season to be honest.

 

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Menace

[toon25]

17 hours ago, Ste said:

I'm all for motivational messages and pictures.

 

"A moment on the lips, a lifetime on ya tits"

 

 

[sushimonster85]

3 hours ago, Menace said:

I know Hughton gets a lot of praise for the job he did here, but overall he's generally a pretty poor manager imo.

 

Looking at that West Ham team, there's no reason why we can't challenge them player for player next season to be honest.

 

 

 

 

I was flicking between the West Ham/Frankfurt and Leicester/Roma matches with interest last night. Watching the CL semi's is fun, but the Europa/Conference semis were interesting to watch as realistically we could pull pretty close to West Ham & Leicester with a good Summer window. Teams like City, Liverpool and Madrid are long-term aims that are likely still 5+ seasons away. 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Menace said:

I know Hughton gets a lot of praise for the job he did here, but overall he's generally a pretty poor manager imo.

 

Looking at that West Ham team, there's no reason why we can't challenge them player for player next season to be honest.

 

 

 

 

 

3 PL promotions. Kept 2 of them up. The clubs he's managed have been his level.

[Wallsendmag]

 

 

 

[Paullow]

Probably been posted elsewhere, and could have made it to many threads, but this is a good video.
 

https://streamable.com/mvzfry

[Dokko]

Just realised i was there when Eddie Howe relegated Sunderland. Oh man. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

1 hour ago, Paullow said:

Probably been posted elsewhere, and could have made it to many threads, but this is a good video.
 

https://streamable.com/mvzfry

 

Who was it that did the original one of those in the 5th season? Was it @JH?

 

The clip of Willock clipping it past Tielemans and tearing down the left to Bruno's finish is perfectly timed for the crescendo in that song like. Sure it was the same Hatem's goal in the original. 

 

 

Edited April 29, 2022 by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[toontownman]

Hard to think of many managers that would have come in with the same amount of hunger, desire to succeed and transformational effect to do the job Eddie has done this season. Just 110% the best person for the job. Considering those big names linked I don't think I'd change Eddie for any of them. He gets the league, the club and the players. So excited he gets the chance to push on with us next year.

[Conjo]

38 minutes ago, toontownman said:

Hard to think of many managers that would have come in with the same amount of hunger, desire to succeed and transformational effect to do the job Eddie has done this season. 

 

That's a really good point I've never really thought about. Maybe we could have gotten a "better" manager with more experience and better track record, but would that manager have been as dedicated to his job as Howe is? I doubt it. Howe definitely feels like the right person at the right time type of appointment. Hope he stays for a long long time.

[Kanj]

This man has worked every waking hour on keeping us up, improving the team and dedicating his life to this craft man. You get emotional thinking of what he’s done here. I can’t help it man. 

[Guest HTT II]

To paraphrase KK:

 

When you have a group of good players, players hungry for the ball, who work hard every day, you send them out to play, to be confident and happy in front of a big crowd who will support them win lose or draw like we do as managers and coaches, they’ve been training all their life to go out and play their game, you back them and tell them they are better than the other team, enjoy your day, get on the ball and play, you’re too good to play rubbish, find your moment and go for it.

 

Howe reminds me so much of KK in how he is with his players, training is intense and no doubt he is too, but the players must be buzzing under him coming into training every day and you can see it on match day just how happy they all are, even those not starting, for the game to start and to get out on that pitch. As KK Sid, they have been training all their lives to play football, it’s not just their job, it’s their love and life. I’m 42 and I’m a shit footballer, but when I take to the pitch I could be my hero Andy Cole out there, that’s how happy just getting to kick a ball makes me, how much sense of love and joy I get from it. And it’s the same now watching games which Howe has brought back to this child in me who had totally fallen out of love with the best game, sport and joy 90 minutes could ever give a person.

 

 

Edited April 30, 2022 by HTT II

[GeordieDazzler]

On 28/04/2022 at 11:18, Kid Icarus said:

https://archive.ph/2022.04.28-064234/https://theathletic.com/3270396/2022/04/27/the-story-of-newcastles-survival-howes-birthday-lists-honest-talks-key-signings-and-a-training-overhaul/

The athletic just wrote a similar piece on Frank Lampard  fair to say the Everton fans aren’t buying it. 

[Cronky]

That's a good read. Brains and passion in solid harness.

 

It was interesting what was said about our pressing game. Rafa and Bruce didn't consider that we had the players to press higher up the pitch, and just had everyone behind the ball asap. I thought they were right. And whenever we did try to press, it looked indecisive and unco-ordinated, and obviously the whole team needs to be committed.

 

Eddie hasn't introduced the sort of full-on press that Liverpool and Man City do, but somehow when the team does try to press, it looks like the players know what's going on, and who should commit and who shouldn't. 

 

The next three games will be a big test, because we're against 3 teams with the pace and skill to beat a press. I wonder whether Eddie will make some adjustments, bearing in mind the experience with Spurs.