Theregulars Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 32 minutes ago, The Prophet said: He's beaten some of the top managers. Ten Haag, Arteta, Conte, Emery, De Zerbi. He’s also lost to 3 of those 5 though… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, ilikenewcastle said: - cup final performance was disappointing but in line with the way we playing during a poor run of form - we lost twice away to Sky 6 and were not bad in either game. - we were by far the better side in the first leg and had a goal disallowed for no reason, 2nd leg was wrapped up early - you admit we played well in 4/6 homes game v Sky 6 - Villa game was probably the biggest occasion so far and we battered a good team Doesn’t this just illustrate my point - that’s a mixed record. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Guardiola and Klopp lose to each other all the time and to other top managers who, crucially, manage top teams. Klopp was regularly thwarted by Felix Magath too. Until we have a team that's undoubtedly at the same level it's an incredibly weak point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 6 minutes ago, Theregulars said: He’s also lost to 3 of those 5 though… It's not struggling though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JUICE690 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Our passing was off but we constantly pressed their 10 men and won the ball back, comfortably. For me it went to shit with the subs. Klopps worked, by putting Liverpool into full attack mode, and we just didn't adjust well to it. It really shouldn't have worked as well as it did though, it was such a transparent ploy. You could tell by Klopps reaction that he couldn't really believe what happened. At best he's hoping for an equaliser, but to win it?! It was freak result but one where we were most certainly the masters of our own downfall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Last season we had 1 win in our opening 7 Premier League games. Let’s take a f**king beat here and calm down. Maybe we take a while to get going. It’s not how you start a season it’s how you finish it that counts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Couple daft subs that he'll learn from. Our best ever manager in my opinion. Players at fault today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Had we played two non top 5 teams in games 2 and 3 we’d be on 9 points. I’m glad this education and reflection for Howe is happening now. We will be stronger because of it. However painful today is. Because it quite frankly still is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 30 minutes ago, WinstonFC said: The rest arent top managers. Klopp and Pep are a level above. Howe has been outsmarted every time by them Klopp's magic has faded, he's not on the same level as Guardiola. Not sure anyone is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: Guardiola and Klopp lose to each other all the time and to other top managers who, crucially, manage top teams. Klopp was regularly thwarted by Felix Magath too. Until we have a team that's undoubtedly at the same level it's an incredibly weak point. This Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BonesJones Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 hour ago, WinstonFC said: Howe struggles against the top managers, fact. 5 years in the PL with Bournemouth. So most of his games against top managers have been with a relatively weak squad, where his team would be expected to lose. Even with us he's still going up against someone that's been able to refine their squad and influence their style over a long period, all while spending big money. Two recent fixtures, three if you count Emery (some would) as top managers. First game we were lethal. Second against the best, they respected the fuck out of us to play that way and we kept it at 1 - 0. Third, we should've won, but small margins and this level. Which ever way you look at it, worst case is he's not very far off a Pep or Klopp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 26 minutes ago, The Prophet said: It's not struggling though. I’ve not said he’s struggling; just that his record in big matches and against the better teams is mixed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Just now, Theregulars said: I’ve not said he’s struggling; just that his record in big matches and against the better teams is mixed. I've got to give you credit for being absolutely relentless in ignoring the crucial context here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Superior Acuña Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 Like Howe losing to Klopp and Guardiola over the last couple of seasons proves anything man. Both these clubs were in the Champions League final over the last two years. We were in the relegation zone two years ago. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonFC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 38 minutes ago, The Prophet said: Cheeky shift of the goal posts there. Not cheeky at all. Everyone knows who the top managers are in the league and weve been beat twice in a row by them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 x ♾️ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WinstonFC Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, BonesJones said: 5 years in the PL with Bournemouth. So most of his games against top managers have been with a relatively weak squad, where his team would be expected to lose. Even with us he's still going up against someone that's been able to refine their squad and influence their style over a long period, all while spending big money. Two recent fixtures, three if you count Emery (some would) as top managers. First game we were lethal. Second against the best, they respected the fuck out of us to play that way and we kept it at 1 - 0. Third, we should've won, but small margins and this level. Which ever way you look at it, worst case is he's not very far off a Pep or Klopp. Both Pep and Klopp out game-planned him. One done it how he set his team up before the match and the other during the match. Howe had no answer for both. Those subs today were brainless and anyone who doesnt agree needs their head checked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Dokko said: I've never been a fan of his subs. Too late and like for like for most part, so was excited for this season for him to have a bench to work with, to see if that was the problem. That and his lack of rotation would be forced upon him due to additional games. Be interesting to see what he does next. He'll be mad as fuck, but isn't the type to dig his players out in front of the cameras. They'll find out how well they played in the dressing room and in training till next weekend. Sometimes you learn more from the setbacks than you do the wins. I think we can turn the last couple of defeats into positives with reactions from the players, maybe even an unexpected transfer from the board. Mind, someone needs to find out what's going on in Bruno's head as he's just not started this campaign, that and him snapping on SM, makes me think he's not 100% happy. Overall shit day, but Eddie is the man to get us back on track. He's brought us back from far worse than this and got us far higher than anyone ever expected. I understand emotions are running high, but the reaction on here towards him is getting close to the entitled shame we said go ourselves we wouldn't be like. The subs were bizarre today but for me we not the reason we lost. We should have killed the game off long before they came on - if Miggy's shot goes in it is a different result. The two goals were errors - Botman was just unlucky for the 1st. The second Bruno gave the ball away far too cheaply. Both finishes clinical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 10 minutes ago, Superior Acuña said: Like Howe losing to Klopp and Guardiola over the last couple of seasons proves anything man. Both these clubs were in the Champions League final over the last two years. We were in the relegation zone two years ago. ^^^^^^^ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) I absolutely love him, but taking Gordon off was the wrong call. He'll learn from this and we'll be all the better for it. Eddie Howe's black and white army! Edited August 27, 2023 by NEEJ Excessive use of absolutely Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
duo Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 1 minute ago, NEEJ said: I absolutely love him, but taking Gordon off was the wrong call. He'll learn from this and we'll be all the better for it. Eddie Howe's black and white army! But it wasn''t the reason we lost. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barnes23 Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) Howe has everything to prove in terms of reaching the same level as Pep and Klopp, but so does every other manager in the top 8, honestly. Maybe to varying extents, but none would fall in the truly elite bracket at this moment in time in my opinion, in terms of what they have demonstrated in the game. Also worth keeping in mind that there is a lot of scepticism surrounding Klopp's current Liverpool side and their potential to emulate previous successes. What that means for Howe is that increased attention and scrutiny will come his way as we look to progress. That's inevitable, even if we as a fanbase are able maintain a united front in terms of support, appreciation and fervour for everything we are experiencing as a club since the takeover and Howe was appointed. I don't think those discussions should be verboten on a forum like this, but it does seem very premature so early in the season. What we can say for sure is that we couldn't have wished for a better manager from October 21 onwards, and that there really remains every reason for optimism. Edited August 27, 2023 by Barnes23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 25 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: I've got to give you credit for being absolutely relentless in ignoring the crucial context here. What context have I missed? My opinion has been fairly consistent: he’s really good, but his record in big pressure matches and matches against the bigger sides is mixed. I therefore concluded that he appears not to be the man for the big occasion. I don’t think it’s as outrageous a view as you think it is, but that’s the beauty of diversity of opinion. I hope you “win” this argument and I’m proved totally wrong; I fear I shan’t be. This does not ignore the magnificent job he has done, this acknowledges the reality of what football now is and where our ambitions are being literally directed by those who own the institution. I understand that you think it’s knee-jerk, that’s fine. But I’m not entitled, ignorant, childish etc; I just have a different opinion to yours and I’m happy to debate it in a peaceful manner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 13 minutes ago, duo said: But it wasn''t the reason we lost. Was the reason we didn't win though (IMO). What was the reason we lost? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theregulars Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 18 minutes ago, NEEJ said: I absolutely love him, but taking Gordon off was the wrong call. He'll learn from this and we'll be all the better for it. Eddie Howe's black and white army! And compounded by taking off Tonali and replacing him with an even less effective Longstaff. I think the giveaway is that the players visibly panicked, withdrew into their own half and couldn’t pass to one another. That shows a mentality issue, which is the manager’s domain. Some big questions for him, let’s hope he answers them. Blaspheme, blaspheme! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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