Wandy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 19 minutes ago, huss9 said: its hard to argue with some of the points being made but its the vitriol and the manner in which its being done. there will come a time when its acceptable for our expectations to rise beyond a team that just tries. we will eventually need to start winning things or at least be there or thereabouts. maybe just a bit too soon for it all now though. That's the thing with that place though. They can't criticise without resorting to catastrophising. That Deschain character on there is the worst....an absolute drama queen, and flip-flops all the time, depending on how a game pans out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 2 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said: I’m curious to see how Howe will set us up on Satder vs Forest. He absolutely nailed Villa away, in stark contrast to the cagey away performances we’d seen for most of the season. I enjoyed the crackers nature of the Luton game, but I wonder if Howe might make us a bit more defensive again in reaction to it. Hope not. My dad also told me Howe was getting a bit of stick vs Luton from a few vocal divvies in the Milburn. He reckons Howe shook his head disappointedly at one point when he turned and heard a few shouts to change things up. Seems incredible that he was getting grief to me. I'm definitely not condoning criticism from the stands but everyone knows football stands aren't full of Mensa-members and half of them will have had a few, so it kind of goes with the territory. People pay good money to watch the team in person and you could argue that gives them a right to voice. There is literally nothing Eddie can come out with to legitimately defend us being 2-4 down at home to relegation fodder after persisting with a setup that has blatant personnel and tactical issues. When the damage is self-inflicted and you don't heed the warnings from previous games, people will start to question your judgement and suitability. Edited February 7 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Monters said: Has Bruno played there before? Didn't really follow him before his Toon career but assumed he played behind Paquetta in France? Also given the paucity of options are you playing Longstaff and Miley as the two sitters or is this a long term change of plan when we have more options \ signings? Interested, not just trying to be critical Yep I'd put longy and miley sitting until we get out better midfielders back. And I think bruno would do well in the ten position with his creativity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 The reality is that we're not that good and Luton aren't that bad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginola14 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 imagine BDB scoring the winner in the fa cup final this season ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghandis Flip-Flop Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, andycap said: I just think teams have worked us out. I don't know another team in the league with three centre mids that play that straight and it's causing us alsorts of bother, last year we kind of got away with it to a point but we can be got at to easy for my liking. I'd sit two midfielders and have bruno in a ten position. Is it the system or the individuals we've currently got occupying two of those three slots? Leaving aside the fact we beat a previously undefeated at home resurgent Villa merely days before Luton, do you think Longstaff and Miley are who Howe would be choosing to play both 8 roles given the choice? Or do you think at least one of Joelinton, Willock and Tonali would be in there if available? Look at where this team was in early December despite injuries biting and tell me with a straight face it’s the system. I know everybody is sick of hearing it, but it’s clearly down to the players energy levels as much as the system, although again that’s been disrupted due to the team not being as compact due to Dubravka's inability to sweep as effectively as Pope. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 It's the system did you not see early in the season we had all our big guns playing and we were still getting cut to ribbons. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 16 minutes ago, andycap said: It's the system did you not see early in the season we had all our big guns playing and we were still getting cut to ribbons. Yep, we have been shit from the start. The tactic is absurd. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Short and Curlies Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Lets bring back the Sweeper Dubstep never dies Toblerone HHH - Big Jam - Temrinator - Asprilla Flash - Taxi Driver - Cyrus - Robin Hood Cool as Ice Cub Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) 31 minutes ago, andycap said: It's the system did you not see early in the season we had all our big guns playing and we were still getting cut to ribbons. So what's the answer? Keep playing the system even though we know it doesn't suit the current available personnel, and just accept getting battered at home by Luton? Or change the system and personnel to suit our current circumstances and give ourselves a better chance of winning with a depleted squad? Edited February 7 by Holmesy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 40 minutes ago, andycap said: It's the system did you not see early in the season we had all our big guns playing and we were still getting cut to ribbons. The only game I can think of that remotely fits that description is Brighton away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 27 minutes ago, ATB said: Yep, we have been shit from the start. The tactic is absurd. Shit from the start is a bit harsh surely? We smashed Villa 5-1 opening day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holmesy Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 I'm assuming AndyCap and ATB's posts are sarcastic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 5 minutes ago, Unbelievable said: The only game I can think of that remotely fits that description is Brighton away. Milan were pulling us all over city wolves Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andycap Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Not sarcastic at all just think we need a system change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, andycap said: Milan were pulling us all over city wolves I may be remembering wrong, but I’m pretty sure City didn’t create much apart from their goal against us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 (edited) The system does change and has changed depending on personnel. For all it looks similar on paper, we've used different presses for different teams and for our line ups and apart from always having Trippier finding space we've employed different methods of attacking to try and exploit the opposition. The way some make it sound is that all they do in training is keep fit and just do the same thing week in week out, which isn't what I've witnessed. Edited February 7 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 After a brilliant 2022/23 campaign, the opportunity to build on their success has consistently been taken away from them because of injuries to key players. Though there are still 45 points to play for this season, the Magpies are currently 13 points from the Champions League spots and with the teams above them in better form. Howe’s positive outlook will ensure that he’ll keep pushing his squad to give their maximum week in and week out, and if they are able to put any sort of late run together, they might just sneak into the top four at the last possible moment. That has to be the squad’s motivation at this stage, with Howe looking at different ways in which to get the results he needs. One of those could be to move defender, Fabian Schar, into a midfield role. “He had been toying in recent weeks with going to a back five in matches,” The Athletic’s George Culkin said on Pod on the Tyne. “We saw that happen at Villa. He had been toying with putting Fabian Schar in midfield at various points. “It will be very interesting to see what happens next, because at the moment they are way too open.” Though such a move might be seen as a little too drastic, it’s worth remembering that Howe was the man who turned an ungainly Joelinton that was lacking confidence into a marauding, first-class midfield dynamo. The manager therefore deserves to be afforded some respect from the St. James’ Park faithful as he tinkers with his systems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Our numbers prior to the injuries taking hold were really good, weren't they? At decent strength, every team will have games or small runs of crap performances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 hour ago, Holmesy said: So what's the answer? Keep playing the system even though we know it doesn't suit the current available personnel, and just accept getting battered at home by Luton? Or change the system and personnel to suit our current circumstances and give ourselves a better chance of winning with a depleted squad? Battered at home by Luton. Fuck off man. At worst the game was 50-50. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: Battered at home by Luton. Fuck off man. At worst the game was 50-50. Getting battered is extreme, but we have conceded 10 goals in our last 3 home games. We definitely need a rethink in how we are setting up or approaching the game’s tactically. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2-4 at SJP to Luton is crazy in any era. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 Howe has been trying to tweak the system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 18 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 2-4 at SJP to Luton is crazy in any era. It isn't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted February 7 Share Posted February 7 2 hours ago, andycap said: Milan were pulling us all over city wolves Wolves I don't remember pulling us all over. I don't think you could call Milan and City typical opponents and hold them as credible examples for Howe being found out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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