nufc123 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 4 minutes ago, Donut said: He needs to sort out that defense ASAP. Defence will look a lot better when there isnt a freeway infront of them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, 54 said: Unbeaten in four, 4 wins in 6, into the 5th round of the FA Cup, with our only lose in that time to a De Bruyne masterclass. Not bad for a shit manager. Has anyone actually called him a shit manager? I think this is happening again, where people say "I'm really pissed off with Howe doing this one specific thing that has cost us several goals in recent games - and plenty of people also have this view" which then gets turned into "posters are calling him shit and that he needs to be sacked." He's great, I love him. He's done and continues to do wonders for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, David Edgar said: Has anyone actually called him a shit manager? I think this is happening again, where people say "I'm really pissed off with Howe doing this one specific thing that has cost us several goals in recent games - and plenty of people also have this view" which then gets turned into "posters are calling him shit and that he needs to be sacked." He's great, I love him. He's done and continues to do wonders for us. I'm just being really facetious That said, I do think the reaction to a draw last week was way to over the top, you'd have thought we where in a relegation scrap and sinking without a trace some where going on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Beren said: He's been a great unifying spirit for the club and taken us miles from where he found us. And I'm not desperate for him to go - he's not a Pardew - but I am increasingly disappointed by him this season. To the point that if he's poached by England... I'd not be crestfallen. That's just my feeling. There could be better people out there for NUFC for where we want to go. Don't think that's madly controversial. Disagree massively tbh. I think he's perfect for both where we are and where we're aiming to go. He's a relatively young coach who's really struggled with the hand he's been dealt this season - but he's the heartbeat of the club and will grow with us imo. I'd be absolutely devastated if we lost him, think it'd be such a massive step back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 6 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Has anyone actually called him a shit manager? I think this is happening again, where people say "I'm really pissed off with Howe doing this one specific thing that has cost us several goals in recent games - and plenty of people also have this view" which then gets turned into "posters are calling him shit and that he needs to be sacked." He's great, I love him. He's done and continues to do wonders for us. That's a bit different than what you actually posted which was to call him "a fucking idiot" in 2 separate threads. Emotive reactions are one thing, but that's just ridiculous drivel really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Beren said: I'd not be devastated if he replaced Southgate if I'm honest. Last season was a 9/10 performance. This year is closer to 5/10. I like you so I’ll keep the stream of expletives and threats in my head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 3 minutes ago, LiquidAK said: Disagree massively tbh. I think he's perfect for both where we are and where we're aiming to go. He's a relatively young coach who's really struggled with the hand he's been dealt this season - but he's the heartbeat of the club and will grow with us imo. I'd be absolutely devastated if we lost him, think it'd be such a massive step back. Assuming we want to go and win titles, do you genuinely believe Howe is the man to do it ? Genuine question btw, I’m not sure either way at this stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 12 minutes ago, nemtizz said: Defence is mainly shaky because of our midfield. #1 priority in the summer. That and an actual left back. TBF we did sign a world class CM before this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 hour ago, Beren said: I'd not be devastated if he replaced Southgate if I'm honest. Last season was a 9/10 performance. This year is closer to 5/10. That take is as bad as your fucking shoes to be fair. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, LionOfGosforth said: That's a bit different than what you actually posted which was to call him "a fucking idiot" in 2 separate threads. Emotive reactions are one thing, but that's just ridiculous drivel really. It isn't though, is it? You know exactly that it is about Dan Burn at left back. Who isn't going to be frustrated by his lapses and cost goals in recent games? I do think Howe is an idiot for keeping him in the side when Tino is there. I can only assume there is something we don't know preventing Tino from starting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black_n_white Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 17 minutes ago, Donut said: He needs to sort out that defense ASAP. The defence is clearly not the main issue here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave s Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 he’s addressing what’s been a problem. with the new back line idea. it’s probably going to be scrappy like this until our midfield is beefed up again. keep going eddie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, SUPERTOON said: Assuming we want to go and win titles, do you genuinely believe Howe is the man to do it ? Genuine question btw, I’m not sure either way at this stage. I do. We were unlucky that the final he got us to in his first full season last year came during our worst run of form all season. I genuinely think given a few years to shape the squad exactly as he needs and we'll be competing on all fronts. If by titles you mean the league only - that's trickier, because you need the other teams like City to have an off-season. But Howe would have us competing for it with enough time, no doubt in my mind about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 12 minutes ago, David Edgar said: Has anyone actually called him a shit manager? I think this is happening again, where people say "I'm really pissed off with Howe doing this one specific thing that has cost us several goals in recent games - and plenty of people also have this view" which then gets turned into "posters are calling him shit and that he needs to be sacked." He's great, I love him. He's done and continues to do wonders for us. A dude literally called him a fucking fraud 30 minutes ago. Down to emotions and all that, but still... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, David Edgar said: It isn't though, is it? You know exactly that it is about Dan Burn at left back. Who isn't going to be frustrated by his lapses and cost goals in recent games? I do think Howe is an idiot for keeping him in the side when Tino is there. I can only assume there is something we don't know preventing Tino from starting. I think this is a key part, we don't know what's up behind the scenes, there's reasons for everything. I'm as perplexed by the Burn thing as most. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The one thing so far in all of his time here that I have a significant issue with is Burn starting over Tino. Everything else I’m happy to accept that Eddie knows far more than we do and he’s also achieved some amazing things so should be given the benefit of the doubt. On the Tino situation I cannot understand a single argument for why Burn starts over Tino. I can’t make it make sense Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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54 Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said: I think this is a key part, we don't know what's up behind the scenes, there's reasons for everything. I'm as perplexed by the Burn thing as most. Don't forget Tino did come off a ACL tear just before he joined us, could be something to do with that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LionOfGosforth Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 2 minutes ago, gbandit said: The one thing so far in all of his time here that I have a significant issue with is Burn starting over Tino. Everything else I’m happy to accept that Eddie knows far more than we do and he’s also achieved some amazing things so should be given the benefit of the doubt. On the Tino situation I cannot understand a single argument for why Burn starts over Tino. I can’t make it make sense Not sure many people can beyond it's all part of a tactical structure that EH prefers. At a certain point, and I say this as one of Eddie's biggest supporters, it becomes a problem keeping the same player in the firing line and getting it in the neck for making mistakes, all for the sake of loyalty/team harmony and/or tactical structure. Unless Tino needs managing due to prior injury. Edited February 10 by LionOfGosforth Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Just now, black_n_white said: The defence is clearly not the main issue here. The main issues are: 1) No Pope - so we can't play the high line to close down the space opponents have in midfield 2) Having to play Miley in midfield - which compounds the first issue. Miley just isn't ready for the physicality and it is showing 3) Injuries in general - so we are very inflexible in general, but especially off the bench I think Dan Burn can play LB for us if we have Pope and a functioning midfield. But he is so vulnerable at the moment to balls over the top or wide. And I know we won today, but we relied on individual quality in a game that 2/3 we would lose. And I don't fully attribute that to Howe, before anyone says it. It is because of the reasons listed above. Although, at the same time, I am frustrated that we aren't addressing the LB issue and Tino is stuck on the bench. Maybe it is Burn's leadership, or his height, or the familiarity/partnerships with other players that keeps him on the pitch. I could be very wrong and it wouldn't be any better with Tino. But even still, I think it is completely fine to say "hey, that's a glaring issue" and "can Howe not do something about it?" Maybe the answer to the second question is no. Will reemphasise that I think Howe is class, cos I think people are seriously missing that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 The Burn thing seems strangely stubborn, Livramento has proven to be reliable and a good defender and we could do with his pace in the backline if the opposition has speedy wingers when we've got the table footy keeper rooted to his line 9 times out of 10. Can understand why he wants him in for his height and his leadership qualities but I would also expect a bit more of a "horses for courses" approach if there's someone on the opposition right wing who can catch pigeons. Also don't understand the hesitation to sub a clearly gassed Gordon when we have Murphy available, he was on fumes for about 15 minutes. It didn't matter in the end but it seemed fairly clear to see. Good win in the end but another heart stopping game to watch. I'd love a boring 1-0 win with loads of control from us soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 We are abysmally slow in midfield and that is exposing us in front of Botman and Schar and then we have Burn horribly exposed to pace down our left. Willock is a huge miss, he can break lines with his pace. We are largely predictable and sideways in the middle. Can’t wait for next season/ to have all players available plus a reliable centre forward, we’ll be a completely different side to deal with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 (edited) 8 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said: I think this is a key part, we don't know what's up behind the scenes, there's reasons for everything. I'm as perplexed by the Burn thing as most. I can think of a few. The back three element, height against high balls, experience with the other unit, he sees Tino as primarily an RB, he wants at least one decent sub to bring on, Tino would be exposed too because our midfield is porous. Probably others. I’m not saying which of those are true but it’s really not hard to put yourself a bit in the manager’s shoes. Edit: soz other people already have loads of reasons Edited February 10 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 Well in the hunt for European contention and a winnable cup fixture coming up, I think he's done pretty decently this season considering the context. I am frustrated with his use of Burn, like. Yes, he did stuff well tonight when it came to scrappy defending (and he did improve as the game went on) but he's such a an obvious weak link while our midfield is down on personnel and it creates pressure on other players imo. The set piece point is a fair one to a degree but Burn is also part of the problem when it comes to conceding set pieces Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted February 10 Share Posted February 10 13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: TBF we did sign a world class CM before this season. And our midfield still looked average with him in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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