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1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I loved the Keegan era and for me, Sir Bobby’s time was just as magical but I’m ready for us to win something now. Ashley robbed me of 13 years, I’m now 45 and I’ve seen us win fuck all. 
I’d love Eddie to be the guy to end the drought but I just don’t see it happening. 

a cup final and another decent set of cup runs with this team suggest that he may not be that far off.

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3 hours ago, Shak said:

Feel like if you didn't enjoy that game then you might have lost the plot a bit in terms of why you're a football fan.

Absolutely. Being rubbish for a big period if not most of the game is a feature of these games. We had the recent example of Man United the other week, most of that game they were flat and rubbish, most of the Arsenal 4-4, Leicester 5-4 and 4-3 comebacks we were - its what made them what they were that it came from nowhere.

Some people seem to only be able to handle City-esque 3-0 cruises.

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3 hours ago, Big Geordie said:

Sliding doors moment for Eddie Howe today at 1-3 down - as someone said in match thread.

 

Fucking hell- I need a lie down!

 

It really was. I said early in the week that we'd need to score 3 to win this one because I knew we'd concede, but at 3-1 down I was basically chucking in the season. The way we play with a high intensity press needs a back four with pace, and preferably CMs who are pretty athletic too. We are a mess defensively, but with the right personnel we could fix that.

 

One thing which was really heartening though was how we never chucked in the towel. If anything we got stronger as players kept dropping like flies and replaced with subs. It says a lot about the team spirit in our squad, and whatever you might think about our tactics, you have to give Howe credit for that. This team gives everything for him and that's not all that common in professional football.

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1 minute ago, Holmesy said:

I loved the Keegan era and for me, Sir Bobby’s time was just as magical but I’m ready for us to win something now. Ashley robbed me of 13 years, I’m now 45 and I’ve seen us win fuck all. 
I’d love Eddie to be the guy to end the drought but I just don’t see it happening. 

Its not like Keegan wasnt anywhere near winning something though. 

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Ironically, as much as I love Howe I'd absolutely welcome a return to not conceding for game after game after game and winning -nil each week like we did last season for a long spell. Fortiter defendit triumphans and all that. Howe-ever not sure that's something that will return under Wor Eddie.

 

Will settle for 4-3s and winning the European Conference next year though. Won't you all? ;)

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said:

a cup final and another decent set of cup runs with this team suggest that he may not be that far off.

We’ve been in cup finals before. I was at university ffs! ?

To be fair, it never felt like we had a chance back then and I’d feel a bit more confident we could compete now, but winning? I’m not confident 

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Just now, Holmesy said:

We’ve been in cup finals before. I was at university ffs! ?

To be fair, it never felt like we had a chance back then and I’d feel a bit more confident we could compete now, but winning? I’m not confident 

last one before last year was 1999 though. Not exactly a normal occurrence. Howe certainly has left himself open for a bit of criticism in the PL, but we've acquitted oursleves quite well for the most part under him in the Cups.

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6 hours ago, Menace said:

Kaka's endless happy clapping is just as irritating as the doomers to be honest.

 

[emoji38]

 

I just know how good Eddie is and what he is going to continue to grow into.

 

Nit picking over every mistake he makes is completely pointless. Too many of you can't see the bigger picture.

 

Give it time man. You'll soon see.

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5 hours ago, Displayname said:

Also subbing in Krafth instead of Hall looked really bad in hindsight

 

Hindsight?

 

It looked pretty fucking stupid at the time.

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42 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Celebrating. 

In his position he should know better than to take his shirt off.

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I dunno, he clearly doesn't have that much faith in Hall as a left back and we were 1-0 up. He probably sees Krafth as a safe pair of hands (so to speak) who hasn't done a lot wrong when called upon during Eddie's time with us, even if he was horrific under Bruce (and obviously missed about a year under Howe). Either way, Krafth was hopeless when he came on and Hall was introduced at a time when all he had to do was attack as West Ham withdrew Antonio and more or less declared at 3 until the final minutes.

 

It's obviously unsustainable to keep needing to score at least three to win a game but if we're capable of doing it then it's far better than watching us cling on for dear death with 10 behind the ball.

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Made up for him, was definitely questioning things after they got the third, our defending was shambolic at times. 
 

The Krafh sub was logically to me, he doesn’t trust Hall that’s clear and Emi has never let him down. 

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I thought at the time he was bringing Krafth on to play CB so that nobody else had to change positions. Thought it was pretty insane that he actually brought him on to change all 4 positions around mid-way through a half. It wasn't a surprise that we were a total mess after that. 

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2 minutes ago, Smal said:

I thought at the time he was bringing Krafth on to play CB so that nobody else had to change positions. Thought it was pretty insane that he actually brought him on to change all 4 positions around mid-way through a half. It wasn't a surprise that we were a total mess after that. 


Yeah, I predicted this sub but I didn’t want it. I guess he trusts Krafth a bit more defensively. 

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Really happy for Howe yesterday. After the 3rd I was beginning to question him & whether it was beginning to go West. Subs forced his hands to an extent, but everyone of them is playing for him. Reassuring to see him take ownership of the Kratth substitution as well. 

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8 hours ago, r0cafella said:

Made up for him, was definitely questioning things after they got the third, our defending was shambolic at times. 
 

The Krafh sub was logically to me, he doesn’t trust Hall that’s clear and Emi has never let him down. 

 

 

This.

 

I thought he was in trouble when they scored the third (as i then expected them to get a fourth), absolutely delighted we turned it around.

 

Hopefully onwards and upwards from here.

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You don't expect to see a total reshuffle but I thought the initial raft of changes were logical. It was early in the game and it made sense to put the two natural CBs together on their favoured sides - as opposed to having a full-back at RCB and a right-footed player at LCB. Hall was never coming on in that situation, it's a moot point.

 

Fwiw Howe said in his MotD interview that, on reflection, it maybe wasn't the right call. 

 

Incidentally I back Krafthy to come out of this the right way. That performance was an aberration in terms of his games under Howe, and you know the manager will back him. If there's still no Trippier I wouldn't have any issue seeing him start on Tuesday. 

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He’s been bailed out by the players yesterday, in fairness to them, they looked like feeling sorry for themselves and heads had dropped.. so there’s obviously some amount of team spirit there to regain that composure.

 

But we were shocking for 50 minutes of the game.. as bad as I’ve seen us since he arrived. Piss poor at the back, even when Lascelles was still on the pitch.

 

And as much as the subs had a positive effect. (Hall was great), if West Ham hadn’t brought off their striker to replace him with Philips.. I’m not sure we’d have had a sniff. They gave us encouragement to attack them.

 

You can’t not celebrate winners like that yesterday but many cracks/papering over is still the case.

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3 minutes ago, Dr Jinx said:

He’s been bailed out by the players yesterday, in fairness to them, they looked like feeling sorry for themselves and heads had dropped.. so there’s obviously some amount of team spirit there to regain that composure.

 

But we were shocking for 50 minutes of the game.. as bad as I’ve seen us since he arrived. Piss poor at the back, even when Lascelles was still on the pitch.

 

And as much as the subs had a positive effect. (Hall was great), if West Ham hadn’t brought off their striker to replace him with Philips.. I’m not sure we’d have had a sniff. They gave us encouragement to attack them.

 

You can’t not celebrate winners like that yesterday but many cracks/papering over is still the case.

 

So he was accountable for us being 3-1 down but the players/opposition were accountable for the comeback. Sound, no agenda here then.

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18 minutes ago, CheikBoom said:

Really happy for Howe yesterday. After the 3rd I was beginning to question him & whether it was beginning to go West. Subs forced his hands to an extent, but everyone of them is playing for him. Reassuring to see him take ownership of the Kratth substitution as well. 

Felt similar to that Norwich game under Benitez when we won it late. I was starting to worry that Benitez wasn’t the man to get us out of the Championship when we were losing after the rocky start to that season, only for us to pull it back and win.

 

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