Eddie Howe

[J7]

7 minutes ago, wormy said:

 

Well that settles it. Howe Out. This man defended Bruce ffs. 

And Souness.

[Kid Icarus]

And Howe. And Rafa. And Hughton. And Keegan. 

 

 

Edited December 11 by Kid Icarus

[Joe1984]

1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

And Howe. And Rafa. And Hughton. And Keegan. 

 

 

 

The nerve of the guy...

[TheBrownBottle]

On 09/12/2024 at 21:07, Interpolic said:

In the context at the time, that banner was spot on. The context being we were still being mocked as deluded geordies while witnessing all ambition being systematically stripped from the club over the course of 14 years. 

 

It still holds water, in the sense we want the club to be striving to improve within whatever constraints they're forced to operate in.

 

To call it "desperately pathetic" is unbelievable stuff @TheBrownBottle What would be on your banner? What were you doing at the time to get Ashley out? 

The banner wasn’t aimed at Ashley, it was an attempt to make the media nicer to us.  It is a statement of non-ambition in itself.  Of course we fucking well demand a team that wins - not every game, but I’m sick to death of the club being less than what it could be.  What possible difference would it have made to Ashley?

 

At the time I’d quit going after decades of travelling home and away to NUFC games.  I refused to give Ashley another penny post-KK.  I made my protest, and others chose how to make theirs, and no doubt mine was no less ineffective than anyone else’s.  So my banner was an empty seat - though I’d happily have supported one calling for Ashley to be made into a eunuch.  But appeals to our ‘friends’ in the media to change the narrative?  Nah. 
 

I absolutely could have used less emotionally charged language in the original post, and re-reading it I was more strident than I actually feel about it.  But I also don’t like attempts to hold everyone to account for statements that were not made by all of us. 

 

 

Edited December 12 by TheBrownBottle

[Kid Icarus]

Do you think 'making the media be nicer to us' was the end goal in itself, or do you think it might have been a strategic move as part of a bigger goal to change the narrative and increase pressure on Ashley? 

 

Ashley Out was an N-O organised campaign, so most people on here know exactly why certain moves were made like.

 

 

Edited December 12 by Kid Icarus

[Rich]

You think you know someone.
 

[54]

5 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The banner wasn’t aimed at Ashley, it was an attempt to make the media nicer to us.  It is a statement of non-ambition in itself.  Of course we fucking well demand a team that wins - not every game, but I’m sick to death of the club being less than what it could be.  What possible difference would it have made to Ashley?

 

At the time I’d quit going after decades of travelling home and away to NUFC games.  I refused to give Ashley another penny post-KK.  I made my protest, and others chose how to make theirs, and no doubt mine was no less ineffective than anyone else’s.  So my banner was an empty seat - though I’d happily have supported one calling for Ashley to be made into a eunuch.  But appeals to our ‘friends’ in the media to change the narrative?  Nah. 
 

I absolutely could have used less emotionally charged language in the original post, and re-reading it I was more strident than I actually feel about it.  But I also don’t like attempts to hold everyone to account for statements that were not made by all of us. 

 

 

 

I don't want to seem like i'm having a go here, as you seem like a decent bloke, but I personally don't demand a team that wins, and I think it can be a very toxic way to look at supporting a football club. I demand a football club and squad that is trying to win every game, that I expect, but not that they must win every game. No team on this earth has a god given right to demand their team wins, and its a fallacy to think so, and quite frankly entitled, and very Chelsea/ Real Madrid like, two of the most detestable clubs on the planet. 

 

In regards to the message itself, at the time it was spot on, it wasn't about "making friends with the media" it was about getting a message out there that the club wasn't even attempting to compete, it was happy with mediocrity, with 17th being enough, and the fans having had enough and wanting change. It was absolutely the right thing to say in that moment, and i'm honestly surprised there are any fans that disagree. 

[TRon]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

The banner wasn’t aimed at Ashley, it was an attempt to make the media nicer to us.  It is a statement of non-ambition in itself.  Of course we fucking well demand a team that wins - not every game, but I’m sick to death of the club being less than what it could be.  What possible difference would it have made to Ashley?

 

At the time I’d quit going after decades of travelling home and away to NUFC games.  I refused to give Ashley another penny post-KK.  I made my protest, and others chose how to make theirs, and no doubt mine was no less ineffective than anyone else’s.  So my banner was an empty seat - though I’d happily have supported one calling for Ashley to be made into a eunuch.  But appeals to our ‘friends’ in the media to change the narrative?  Nah. 
 

I absolutely could have used less emotionally charged language in the original post, and re-reading it I was more strident than I actually feel about it.  But I also don’t like attempts to hold everyone to account for statements that were not made by all of us. 

 

 

 

 

 

I think that's a misreading of the banner tbh. Demanding a team that tries is referring to a team that tries to win things, cups, titles etc. You seem to be reading it as "oh well we tried, that's the main thing, results are not the be all and end all".

[AyeDubbleYoo]

It was a club that tries. 
 

Really surprising that we’re having to debate how class that campaign was. 

 

 

Edited December 12 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Yorkie]

13 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It was a club that tries. 
 

Really surprising that we’re having to debate how class that campaign was. 

 

 

 

 

There were plenty of "you don't speak for me" types back then too. 

[Matt1892]

48 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

It was a club that tries. 
 

Really surprising that we’re having to debate how class that campaign was. 

 

 

 

Yeah, it was about being a club that showed ambition, rather than doing the bare minimum to try and stay in the league.

 

It isn’t anything to do with the effort put in by the players on the pitch, or expecting the team to win every week, which is why it is strange when people use it to defend Howe, when people are unhappy with the performances and league position.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

5 minutes ago, Matt1892 said:

Yeah, it was about being a club that showed ambition, rather than doing the bare minimum to try and stay in the league.

 

It isn’t anything to do with the effort put in by the players on the pitch, or expecting the team to win every week, which is why it is strange when people use it to defend Howe, when people are unhappy with the performances and league position.

TBF it does have a nod towards expectations and does imply that when we criticise the situation we should keep the larger context in mind (generally things are much better than ever before and decisions will be made for the right reasons). 
 

Each to their own on how they assess the current situation though, personally I’m easy to please on a short-term basis because I remember how horrific the Ashley era was. Therefore I’m more likely to want to believe the best about people like the manager. 

[The College Dropout]

That messaging - to me - meant trying to be as good as possible within reason. Ambition with a cap.

 

The media would say "the Geordies want to be in the CL - that's unreasonable." When we had an Owner that flatlined revenue for over a decade while it grew for all other PL clubs, let the stadium become decrepit, poor training facilities & academy - worse than our neighbourhood rivals. 

 

For all Shephard's faults - at least he tried. We had great training facilities for the time. Tried to make big commercial deals etc.

 

PIF are talking about becoming number 1 - so all that "a club that tries" shit is out the window for me personally. I'm ok if they downgrade long-term expectations - they just need to communicate that. But for now i'm judging them on their approach to becoming number 1.

[TRon]

2 hours ago, The College Dropout said:

That messaging - to me - meant trying to be as good as possible within reason. Ambition with a cap.

 

The media would say "the Geordies want to be in the CL - that's unreasonable." When we had an Owner that flatlined revenue for over a decade while it grew for all other PL clubs, let the stadium become decrepit, poor training facilities & academy - worse than our neighbourhood rivals. 

 

For all Shephard's faults - at least he tried. We had great training facilities for the time. Tried to make big commercial deals etc.

 

PIF are talking about becoming number 1 - so all that "a club that tries" shit is out the window for me personally. I'm ok if they downgrade long-term expectations - they just need to communicate that. But for now i'm judging them on their approach to becoming number 1.

 

They are specifically being blocked wilfully and legally from becoming number 1. In fact they are being blocked by specifically formulated rules to stop them even becoming number 2, 3 and 4. So you can judge all you like, it doesn't change that reality.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I mean, the ambition is to be number one still I assume. Whether that takes a decade or whatever (or is impossible) is a different question. 

[The Butcher]

Staveley said we'd be title challengers in 5-10 years. That's not going to happen anytime soon.

[Weezertron]

A pointless exercise, but lets say Eddie goes to another mid table premier league team. Who does he come in for from our squad, if any? 

 

Murphy? Longstaff?

[thomas]

3 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

A pointless exercise, but lets say Eddie goes to another mid table premier league team. Who does he come in for from our squad, if any? 

 

Murphy? Longstaff?

half the rest too, god willing

[Myleftboot]

5 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

A pointless exercise, but lets say Eddie goes to another mid table premier league team. Who does he come in for from our squad, if any? 

 

Murphy? Longstaff?

Dan burn,popey,Joelinton,Matt targett,Trippier.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

8 minutes ago, Weezertron said:

A pointless exercise, but lets say Eddie goes to another mid table premier league team. Who does he come in for from our squad, if any? 

 

Murphy? Longstaff?

Another mid table team? 
 

[Weezertron]

12 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Another mid table team? 
 

Did I stutter? 

 

Joking aside, yes another mid table team

[Scoot]

Hopefully Eddie just playing it down, but wouldn't surprise me if we went a 3rd window without signing anyone. Love this PSR, it's makes football so exciting.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

"We're going ham, fuck PSR" - Eddie Howe

 

TBF January was generally poor even before the financial rules. Except the Great French Janvier. 

 

 

Edited Friday at 11:33 by AyeDubbleYoo

[Pilko]

Much more like it today from start to finish. Poor opposition sure, but put them right to the sword with the intensity required and rightly conserved the energy of some key players later on. Just what the doctor ordered and hopefully gives him and everyone involved a big confidence lift

[cubaricho]

There’s been a ton of bitching on here about us not showing up against the weaker teams this season and Howe had the boys right up for this today. Got it spot on with the subs later on too. Hopefully the beginning of a good week.