Eddie Howe

[Theregulars]

The yes votes are just out of order in my view, and suggest that the voters watch football only to be associated with winning. I cannot understand why you’d not want to get behind the guy and pick him up for the unbridled joy he’s delivered to your life. 

[TheBrownBottle]

1 hour ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

To me the next level is us being able to be going into the season confident we can be top 3 -4 every year and not thinking top 7 is where our realism is. The step after that is the title challenge.

 

I wholly dispute if it is available too. Our current model means it isnt and thats where i say i thin Eddie's structure and beliefs doesn't fit ours and where we want to be. As evidence, we cant have agents ring up and get his nephew nor can we have infighting about players that aren't up to the level i.e DCL or Lloyd Kelly. If we change the structure and EH is the coach with input only to signings i think we can reach that in 2 - 3 years with the new team we are bringing in, however i dont think that will ever happen and thats why the infamous Paul Mitchell rant came from when he said we were being run amateurish.

 

There is plenty of scope to up our revenue to crazy levels but it will take time, as Staveley said when she came in, its evolution and not revolution and everyone has to buy into that. I bang on about it all the time but when we chose to stay at home rather than train in the San Siro, our Champions League return, that should have been the moment the project always took precedent over the manager. That set us back and spending 45m on an unproven, injury prone english player is another example where we culd have gone for another Bruno or Sandro and pushed the first team on and in doing such growing the squad. Finally i dont think we can improve and grow whilst we don't rotate correctly and get players the minutes, we are chasing our own tail and wondering why

Howe has done an excellent job within the obvious confines of his job - and plenty mention PSR, but the reality is that this is a constraint against what’s possible.  You mention that his structure and beliefs don’t match ours - in what sense is this true?  Does the ownership seriously think that we should be challenging on all fronts while our revenue is further behind Spurs than it was when they bought the club (never mind the real elite clubs in the division)?  
 

I’m at a loss as to how Howe is responsible for the club’s turnover in the way that is implied here - he’s met his end of the bargain with high finishes (which equals bonus payments) and two CL campaigns plus multiple cup runs bringing in greater revenue.  He’s being let down by an ownership which is asleep at the wheel and - while it came in talking big - has been an absentee landlord for some time now.  We’ve just fired the commercial ‘whizz’ we hired under Staveley because he proved to be yet another executive appointment who didn’t meet up to the promise.

 

There are definitely ways Howe can improve on what we’re seeing this season and there are ways of reasonably criticising what he’s doing - but we’re not going to reach what you’re talking about under any manager on the planet.  If the owners are actually serious (I have serious doubts that they’re prepared to spend the time and money required to get there) then it’s on them to get us there, not the manager.  

[LionOfGosforth]

34 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

Yes but much like last time there is a considerable drop off in the league, rotation is poor and we are picking up knocks. Our inability to move between midweek to weekend action at a consistently high level is very evident. Rotation and keeping a good number of minutes under the belts is key and this is adding to inconsistency as we only bring players in when its needed. We look like a team with a set first 11 who train together in that way everyday and then when somebody comes in it looks disjointed.

 

Champions League isnt just about how you perform in it, its how you use manage and navigate the issues it causes and last time we got it badly wrong. You can blame injuries but once again we played Gordon whilst injured and it got worse. Mistakes are fine if you learn from them and i dont think we have

 

You do realize that this is only the 5th time in the club's history that we've competed in the CL right? What you're talking about is one of the most difficult things in elite club football to navigate and I think we're managing our player load better than last time. The injuries to the FBs were freakish and we're much better placed to do well as the competition moves on.

[TheBrownBottle]

1 minute ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

You do realize that this is only the 5th time in the club's history that we've competed in the CL right? What you're talking about is one of the most difficult things in elite club football to navigate and I think we're managing our player load better than last time. The injuries to the FBs were freakish and we're much better placed to do well as the competition moves on.

I do think that the FB problem is a one of our own making mind - we went into the season knowing Hall was out.  £250m spent and not a single FB coming in might not have been the most intelligent transfer strategy. 

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

40 minutes ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

Our inability to move between midweek to weekend action at a consistently high level is very evident.

 

 Of course it is. How many windows have we had (PSR allowing) to build a squad to manage this? Compared to those that have. 

 

[LionOfGosforth]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

I do think that the FB problem is a one of our own making mind - we went into the season knowing Hall was out.  £250m spent and not a single FB coming in might not have been the most intelligent transfer strategy. 

 

Yep, the point was more commenting on how difficult it is to manage squad load at the level we're competing at, it's not a piece of piss and if it wasn't for that Arsenal twat, we'd have had Livra to cover Hall no bother. He might even be better on the left side than the right. The summer was tough and not perfectly done obviously.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

We should have been rotating Wissa, Hall and Tino a lot more over the past few weeks. 

 

[RS]

12 minutes ago, Theregulars said:

The yes votes are just out of order in my view, and suggest that the voters watch football only to be associated with winning. I cannot understand why you’d not want to get behind the guy and pick him up for the unbridled joy he’s delivered to your life. 

1 of the 3 only voted yes because Eddie shagged his wife. Thats nee reason to hold a grudge in my opinion. 

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Just now, RS said:

1 of the 3 only voted yes because Eddie shagged his wife. Thats nee reason to hold a grudge in my opinion. 

He’d probably deliver some worthwhile coaching. 

[TheBrownBottle]

6 minutes ago, LionOfGosforth said:

 

Yep, the point was more commenting on how difficult it is to manage squad load at the level we're competing at, it's not a piece of piss and if it wasn't for that Arsenal twat, we'd have had Livra to cover Hall no bother. He might even be better on the left side than the right. The summer was tough and not perfectly done obviously.

Yeah, agreed - none of this is easy. 

[RS]

1 minute ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

He’d probably deliver some worthwhile coaching. 

Must be a concern when the coach is an advocate of size over everything else like.  

[Fak]

19 minutes ago, RS said:

Must be a concern when the coach is an advocate of size over everything else like.  

 

Howes been struggling to keep clean sheets lately as well. 

[Vinny Green Balls]

To state that Howe is benefiting the Howe family at the expense of the club is one of the more absurd takes in this thread.

[Kid Icarus]

@Froggy

 

Fair enough

 

[The Prophet]

 

[JUICE690]

Those stats. :/

This is clearly a much bigger task for Eddie than before. Stating the obvious but we'd be in completely different position if we had Wissa fit from the start, mind you.
We carry so little threat right that we're a fucking dream to play against.

[Lucky]

Didn’t vote because the options are far too black and white.

 

Do I want him sacked? No, I want him to turn it around.

 

If he doesn’t though, then yes we should seriously consider going in a different direction. I’ve stated in as many different ways possible why I have my doubts that he will, but it does need to play out.

 

I don’t know why that’s such a controversial position to have.

 

The City game is a free hit in some ways, they’ll be heavy favourites but the Everton game is different. If we serve up something similar to last weekend it’s going to start getting very tough for him.

 

That video sums things up quite well though, something clearly isn’t working.

[JT24]

3 minutes ago, Lucky said:

Didn’t vote because the options are far too black and white.

 

Do I want him sacked? No, I want him to turn it around.

 

If he doesn’t though, then yes we should seriously consider going in a different direction. I’ve stated in as many different ways possible why I have my doubts that he will, but it does need to play out.

 

I don’t know why that’s such a controversial position to have.

 

The City game is a free hit in some ways, they’ll be heavy favourites but the Everton game is different. If we serve up something similar to last weekend it’s going to start getting very tough for him.

 

That video sums things up quite well though, something clearly isn’t working.

[Froggy]

6 hours ago, Kid Icarus said:

@Froggy

 

Fair enough

 

 

Look, the thread speaks for itself. 

[Coffee_Johnny]

Recorded without comment. 

[Sibierski]

The options really should be the below, and it open for votes changing so we can see over the next 2 months where the trend goes:

 

What is your current stance on Howe?

- Full backing

- Confidence waining

- Time is running out on his spell

- Should be sacked

 

Should then give a truer reflection because I’d be in confidence waining section at the moment due to his persistence with midfield three etc.

[Paully]

All managers go through bad spells - Eddie will turn this around. Tino, Hall and Wissa MASSIVELY improves our first XI which in turn massively improves our bench.

 

The constant upheaval top level changes these last few years haven’t done him any favours yet he still won us a major trophy and secured champions league football for the second time in three years. 
 

We were relegation fodder when he took over yet he has delivered finishes of 11th, 4th, 7th and 5th.

 

Two CL campaigns as well as being denied of Europe due to Man Utd beating Man City in the FA cup final.

 

Two League cup finals - with more than likely another two legged semi final this season coming up - not to mention barring a Trippier last minute howler at Chelsea, we’d have had a two legged semi vs Boro.

 

He’s been virtually the only spokesman for us and has literally drove us on and of course, first major somatic trophy in 70 years. 
 

He has far more than enough credit to be given time to turn our league form around.

 

Anyone who currently wants him sacked needs sectioned!

[The College Dropout]

9 hours ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

The chairman will work to find the right DoF, the DoF will work within the structure hes told to or try and work to change it behind the scenes. Hence why Eales brought in Mitchell who he had worked with before. Eales has British and American experience so seemed a sensible choice. We are owned by a nation state with far bigger worries than NUFC so they will need the right men to make the right moves. They had it right with Ashworth and wrong with the Eales / Mitchell combo, now its time to trust the next ones.

 

Id rather have slightly distant owners who supply finances and trust their management team than ones who are overbearing and take money out of the club

They’ve had it wrong 2 summers in a row because they haven’t put in an effective leadership structure. 

[ExiledGeordie]

The piss farting around at board level has definitely impacted us and Howe. Also while it sounds defeatist I just don’t think under the current PSR restrictions we can challenge for the league or became yearly champions league qualifiers while also potentially competing in Europe at the same time. What I thought was achievable when the takeover happened I just don’t are possible in the current climate. Yes we can buy in unknown players for less money but you’re fighting against wage bills and commercial revenue of the top 6. 

[Groundhog63]

11 hours ago, Tonalis Bookie said:

 

Have done many times here and i also remember 4 years ago, things were abysmal. But now it isnt about 4 years ago, its about can this manager take us to another level and i dont think he can.

 

Eddie's job on the field has been fantastic. Certain actions have been for the betterment of the Howe family and not NUFC. There is also a number of judgments i think he has gotten extremely wrong and his structure doesnt fit ours behind the scenes.

 

I also think he struggles in a number of ways once at the level where admittedly he has taken us to.

 

I mean it's all drivel and anyone voting "yes" is a tit but, fuck me, what on earth is this pile of fucking cack? 

Bloke dove himself into ITU ffs 😂