Eddie Howe

[Chicken Dancer]

If Howe does end up going there’d be no shortage of applications.

 

We attracted Benitez whilst lingering in the relegation zone with Mike Ashley as owner, and nearly got Emery (again lingering in relegation) and probably would have if we didn’t let slip. Both were/are pretty ‘big’ names as far as managers go and we’re infinitely more attractive now, that’s for sure.
 

Mourinho would be a disaster though, fuck that. 

[JT24]

45 minutes ago, Heron said:

It's entirely relevant to the debate though, surely? Like anyone can say "I want us to be the best team in the world and never ever lose a game" but the reality is we cannot, no one can. So to my mind, it's easy for anyone to say "Howe is the problem" but then what is the solution?

 

We may not all be scouts or coaches or whatever but we sure as hell watch enough football collectively on this forum to have ideas around managers who might fit. I think I've only ever seen about half a dozen names mentioned (if that!).

 

Mourinho

Frank (pre Spurs)

Glasner

Iraola

 

The best suggestion I've heard recently was Simeone but as to whether someone like that is attainable is beyond me. With our money is anyone attainable? With PSR constraints is it even possible to rebuild the squad the same way as previous?

I’m throwing either Sebastian Hoeneß or Vincenzo Italiano into the mixer of “what to do if we have to replace Howe”. 
 

I think both have excellent chances of being a success in the PL, albeit comes with a bit of risk. Their teams often play great football and both shown to have a bit about themselves, whilst over performing with limited resources. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

2 hours ago, 1881 said:

Eddie Howe does not need any of us to defend him, his record at the club both in terms of results and player development speak for themselves. If it is not good enough for some people so be it.

 

I am sure he would rotate more if he felt the squad was strong enough to allow it. I am sure he would substitute quicker if he felt his bench was strong enough. I am sure he would have evolved our tactics if the summer hadn’t been such a disaster and he had more time on the training pitch.

 

Yes we spent a lot of money in the summer and it hasn’t all worked out yet, but the timing of the sale (which I doubt was Howe’s doing) and the fact we lost a world-class striker are not excuses, just reality. Our whole game was built around Isak.

 

Perhaps it is because I have waited 55 years to see Newcastle win a trophy that I have more patience than some, but I believe Eddie has done way more than enough to be given the respect of being allowed to continue to lead the team forward.

 

He always said he would stay at the club as long as he felt wanted and I believe he would.

 

Eddie is not my king, but he as my upmost respect and gratitude for what he has done for the club and how he has represented us.

 

 

Top posting. 

[Interpolic]

Since a lot of people seem to care about this, the entire football world will laugh their tits off at us if we end up losing Howe. You think the reaction to the 2030 comments was bad, this will be on another level entirely. 

 

The perception will be he deserves the maximum realistic time possible to get it right (again). He'll get a top job and tear it up again. Take the emotion out of (some) recent results and performances, ask yourself this... 

 

If someone said to you in May, after another CL qualification and a glorious cup win at last, in the knowledge we'd lose Isak what would it take for you to want Howe out of the club? Because surely for most it would have needed to be a hell of a lot worse than a probable top half finish and good progress in all of the cups.

 

Yes a 3am post (newborn innit)

[astraguy]

6 hours ago, Heron said:

I mean...I'm pretty sure I've explained numerous times why I am Howe In not Howe Out. I'm sure I've asked numerous times what the alternatives are and very rarely been given viable answers.

 

I think @Jesse Pinkmans stance is fair enough personally. We do ultimately support Newcastle United.

 

However, to suggest that folk are simply saying "EHBAWA" or "Eddie is our king" without backing that statement isn't correct @Holmesy. For one, his record here speaks for itself, both in terms of results and player development. The recruitment one is a speculative debate which ever way you want to take it. I can nigh on guarantee folk will gladly accuse him of last summers failings and attribute all other signings (that were successes) to other folk - if that suits their agenda - just as others will attribute the signings in an opposite direction. It is all speculative though. But it has been explained numerous times by myself, @Kid Icarus, @Interpolicand many others.

 

There are few managers who would improve us at present and whom are available - I think that is something we can all agree on?

 

If not...then I'll gladly review this ocean of talent we have to pick from (...and whom can be identified by those saying "Howe out").

 

Howe isn't perfect and isn't faultless, but he definitely deserves more support and respect than he receives. He's quite simply guilty of being a nice guy in this regard, and that costs him in the (Social?) media.

 

 

 

Show them our support in our next game wor flags!

[r0cafella]

1 hour ago, Interpolic said:

Since a lot of people seem to care about this, the entire football world will laugh their tits off at us if we end up losing Howe. You think the reaction to the 2030 comments was bad, this will be on another level entirely. 

 

The perception will be he deserves the maximum realistic time possible to get it right (again). He'll get a top job and tear it up again. Take the emotion out of (some) recent results and performances, ask yourself this... 

 

If someone said to you in May, after another CL qualification and a glorious cup win at last, in the knowledge we'd lose Isak what would it take for you to want Howe out of the club? Because surely for most it would have needed to be a hell of a lot worse than a probable top half finish and good progress in all of the cups.

 

Yes a 3am post (newborn innit)

Depends where we finish doesn't it? Or is that irrelevant for you? 

 

From what was said yesterday it seems like we are about to undertake a bit of strategic shift, it's possible Eddie isn't up for it in that Scenario tbh.

 

Edit

 

If Eddie leaves, I will very much judge the decision based on the replacement. If we hire some garbage than obviously it would be a disaster. 

 

 

Edited April 1 by r0cafella

[Interpolic]

21 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Depends where we finish doesn't it? Or is that irrelevant for you? 

 

From what was said yesterday it seems like we are about to undertake a bit of strategic shift, it's possible Eddie isn't up for it in that Scenario tbh.

 

Edit

 

If Eddie leaves, I will very much judge the decision based on the replacement. If we hire some garbage than obviously it would be a disaster. 

 

 

 

 

Doesn't really depend where we finish from here for me, he's earnt the grace of not worrying about a few places for one season. I think we'll finish strongly anyway, unless things really have gone to shit behind the scenes. 

 

If I'd asked myself that question back in May my answer would have probably been being in genuine relegation trouble. Just don't think it's a massive deal that we've dropped off a bit in the league as long as it's temporary.

 

He's done the season with no firing strikers, no dependable goalkeeper, a defence that too often picks itself etc. Playing every 3 days for what feels like years. Cool heads and we'll be fine. 

[r0cafella]

39 minutes ago, Interpolic said:

 

Doesn't really depend where we finish from here for me, he's earnt the grace of not worrying about a few places for one season. I think we'll finish strongly anyway, unless things really have gone to shit behind the scenes. 

 

If I'd asked myself that question back in May my answer would have probably been being in genuine relegation trouble. Just don't think it's a massive deal that we've dropped off a bit in the league as long as it's temporary.

 

He's done the season with no firing strikers, no dependable goalkeeper, a defence that too often picks itself etc. Playing every 3 days for what feels like years. Cool heads and we'll be fine. 

Fair play and I respect your opinion

[Cf]

6 hours ago, Chicken Dancer said:

If Howe does end up going there’d be no shortage of applications.

 

We attracted Benitez whilst lingering in the relegation zone with Mike Ashley as owner, and nearly got Emery (again lingering in relegation) and probably would have if we didn’t let slip. Both were/are pretty ‘big’ names as far as managers go and we’re infinitely more attractive now, that’s for sure.
 

Mourinho would be a disaster though, fuck that. 

 

Benitez I think was a special case. He joined us at a certain time in his career and looking back I still can't really believe it happened. 

 

Would Emery want it now? I'm not sure. What has materially changed since last time is it's clear the financial regs have put us in our place. More so perhaps than people might have thought back then. Obviously no relegation to worry about this time. 

 

There'll also likely be free roles at other teams. Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, City could all be up for grabs. Hell if Arsenal bottle it again maybe even them. 

[Lush Vlad]

7 hours ago, JT24 said:

I’m throwing either Sebastian Hoeneß or Vincenzo Italiano into the mixer of “what to do if we have to replace Howe”. 
 

I think both have excellent chances of being a success in the PL, albeit comes with a bit of risk. Their teams often play great football and both shown to have a bit about themselves, whilst over performing with limited resources. 

That would be one way to try and get the best out of Woltemade  

[OpenC]

With everything that's gone on since we became The Richest Club In The World but couldn't do anything because of hurriedly put together new rules that keep the drawbridge up, I don't know what people are seeing in the wider picture that makes them think a roll of the dice is going to improve matters one bit.  If they get rid of Howe and appoint somebody new, it's not going to be another go at that October 21 optimism.  It won't get anybody any closer to a new stadium or training ground.  We've been put back in our box and everybody knows it by now.

 

The lad deserves scrutiny when we're not playing well, and the sort of pressure he's been under and the story we saw yesterday have to be accepted working at this level, but at the end of the day all of the great things that have happened since the takeover are because of him, not despite him, imo.  Staveley was a great figure to have around the place, someone to coalesce around, but not part of the sporting success.  He's a class act who has had his hands tied at all levels.  They could appoint Pep or Klopp tomorrow and players still wouldn't come because they'd still get paid more elsewhere - in 2026 no fucker is signing for a club because they want to work with a particular manager when they can get literally £5m more a year somewhere that's allowed to pay it 

 

tl;dr I just don't see that replacing him is going to clear all the other logjams and embuggerances that are conspiring to keep us where we are.  We can't go back to 2021 and have another go at being Biggest In The World.  I hate the ownership thing and what modern football has become but progress has been pretty amazing in the grand scheme of things and a lot of us have forgotten where we came from I reckon.

[Chicken Dancer]

1 hour ago, Cf said:

 

Benitez I think was a special case. He joined us at a certain time in his career and looking back I still can't really believe it happened. 

 

Would Emery want it now? I'm not sure. What has materially changed since last time is it's clear the financial regs have put us in our place. More so perhaps than people might have thought back then. Obviously no relegation to worry about this time. 

 

There'll also likely be free roles at other teams. Man Utd, Liverpool, Chelsea, City could all be up for grabs. Hell if Arsenal bottle it again maybe even them. 

I doubt Emery would sidestep from his Cush little job at Villa no.

 

Point I was making is we still are an attractive job to perspective candidates and always likely will be. Whether they see us as a stepping stone is another thing but I don’t think we’d have any trouble attracting interest from decent names (whenever the time comes). 

[r0cafella]

13 minutes ago, OpenC said:

With everything that's gone on since we became The Richest Club In The World but couldn't do anything because of hurriedly put together new rules that keep the drawbridge up, I don't know what people are seeing in the wider picture that makes them think a roll of the dice is going to improve matters one bit.  If they get rid of Howe and appoint somebody new, it's not going to be another go at that October 21 optimism.  It won't get anybody any closer to a new stadium or training ground.  We've been put back in our box and everybody knows it by now.

 

The lad deserves scrutiny when we're not playing well, and the sort of pressure he's been under and the story we saw yesterday have to be accepted working at this level, but at the end of the day all of the great things that have happened since the takeover are because of him, not despite him, imo.  Staveley was a great figure to have around the place, someone to coalesce around, but not part of the sporting success.  He's a class act who has had his hands tied at all levels.  They could appoint Pep or Klopp tomorrow and players still wouldn't come because they'd still get paid more elsewhere - in 2026 no fucker is signing for a club because they want to work with a particular manager when they can get literally £5m more a year somewhere that's allowed to pay it 

 

tl;dr I just don't see that replacing him is going to clear all the other logjams and embuggerances that are conspiring to keep us where we are.  We can't go back to 2021 and have another go at being Biggest In The World.  I hate the ownership thing and what modern football has become but progress has been pretty amazing in the grand scheme of things and a lot of us have forgotten where we came from I reckon.

To be fair, I don't think Anyone has processed to be certain things will get better if we make a change. Both sticking or twisting involves risk. 

 

The comments from the CEO definitely made me reflect in a different manner though. Especially as you always hear these people talk about "value". (We've not been good value this season for what we've spent so far on the whole). 

 

I also can't help but wonder if Eddie will be keen on selling his best players to have them replaced by cheaper models. His first taste of this was Isak for Big Nick and Wissa and let me tell you, it can't taste pleasant. I wouldn't at all be surprised if he thought he's taken us as far as he can. 

[Groundhog63]

Black and white for me, in all honesty.

 

Anyone, seriously, thinking Howe should be replaced is a fucking idiot. Even moreso given the names being bandied about. Clowns 

 

 

Apart from the last 4 years, in a world where football is fucked by cunts and money, Eddie Howe is one of the few people that conduct themselves with honour and integrity.

 

I even think "he deserves one more season" is cunt's patter 😂

 

 

Hey ho 😂😂😂😂

 

 

 

 

Edited April 1 by Groundhog63

[Chicken Dancer]

Another season like this one and he wouldn’t see Christmas, let’s be honest. 
 

I think he’d accept his fate too, but I doubt we will be as shit next anyway.

[Geogaddi]

Loads of the numpties online genuinely want Mourinho to replace Eddie, that alone should be a reason we avoid him at all costs and that's before you even look into the fact he hasn't succeeded in any job for about 20 years now.

[olliemort]

I have deleted my X app because im sick of reading stupid posts like that and then i  stupidly started engaging with them so for my own sanity i decided to delete the app

[olliemort]

19 minutes ago, Chicken Dancer said:

Another season like this one and he wouldn’t see Christmas, let’s be honest. 
 

I think he’d accept his fate too, but I doubt we will be as shit next anyway.

Probably wont have european football anyways so i think we will have a good season. His tactics only suit us when we play once a week

[Coffee_Johnny]

20 hours ago, Bellis80 said:

You can lose a derby and it isn’t a problem. But playing like we did in both was a joke, that’s why he should be under a bit of pressure.

We played quite well first half. Go two up and it would have ended quite differently and the mood in this break would have been very different. Goals change games. We are short of a real predator as a striker.  A point not worth going into, or re-iterating all the patter spouted about that issue (if it was ‘watter’ we’d all be ‘drooned’ as my mam was fond of saying—yes usually about me 😂)

[nufcjmc]

Hes such a good representative and at times only spokesman the club had that I want to give him as much time as possible. He's a class act and is measured and thoughtful and publicly level headed you want him to do well and become a legacy at the club not a foot note in it.

 

Better the devil you know also springs to mind with no gaurentees you get all of howes personal qualities and a better more flexible player developing coach next.

 

Having said all that the project is at a cross roads first batch and remainder elements of the pre take over squad need replacing. We do not have the biggest wage structure or biggest budget so boxing smart/wheeling dealing is required probably for a good few more years than the club or support would like. 

 

After all that waffle above I still can't decide what to do is the metric this season europe or bust? Would clubs looking for their next manager take him in  a heart beat despite this season being included in his body of work? I would say yes so maybe hold on to a"good egg" a little longer.

 

If we do though the days of only small pool of players can ever improve us need to be forgotten about we simply don't have the luxury maybe with the exception of the no cunts rule. 

[bobbydazzla]

Little bit or roleplay for the lads n lasses.

 

You’re the CEO, you're doing an interview about end of year results. When asked by a journo about Eddie’s future, which answer do you go with ?

 

A) This season has been mixed but Eddie's our man, no risk to his job: People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing.

B) This season has been mixed, we’ll save any discussion about Eddie’s job until it’s over: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

C) This season has been mixed, the buck stops with the manager and we feel he could have done better: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

D) This season has been mixed, but I’m not commenting on Eddie’s future: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

 

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Little bit or roleplay for the lads n lasses.

 

You’re the CEO, you're doing an interview about end of year results. When asked by a journo about Eddie’s future, which answer do you go with ?

 

A) This season has been mixed but Eddie's our man, no risk to his job: People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing.

B) This season has been mixed, we’ll save any discussion about Eddie’s job until it’s over: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

C) This season has been mixed, the buck stops with the manager and we feel he could have done better: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

D) This season has been mixed, but I’m not commenting on Eddie’s future: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

 

Option E. This discussion is about the clubs financials and that is what we shall focus on. 

[Kid Icarus]

4 minutes ago, bobbydazzla said:

Little bit or roleplay for the lads n lasses.

 

You’re the CEO, you're doing an interview about end of year results. When asked by a journo about Eddie’s future, which answer do you go with ?

 

A) This season has been mixed but Eddie's our man, no risk to his job: People shit their pants, Eddie's had the dreaded pre-sacking backing.

B) This season has been mixed, we’ll save any discussion about Eddie’s job until it’s over: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

C) This season has been mixed, the buck stops with the manager and we feel he could have done better: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

D) This season has been mixed, but I’m not commenting on Eddie’s future: People shit their pants, Eddie’s getting sacked.

 

There are varying degrees of pant shitting. He chose B, which along with D are the maximalist pants shitting options. A would still be the best option by an absolute mile and C would be more of a critique than a comment on his future.

[TK-421]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Option E. This discussion is about the clubs financials and that is what we shall focus on. 

 

Then people would still shit their pants, with the CEO declining to comment on the manager/his position.

[nufcjmc]

3 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Option E. This discussion is about the clubs financials and that is what we shall focus on. 

Think Bobby's point is more of one of damned if you do damned if you dont. Even your alternative could be spun to lack of definitive support or backing for the manager.