FloydianMag Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 27 minutes ago, New Beginnings said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-10145303/Newcastle-boss-Graeme-Jones-SCRAPS-days-players-ahead-Chelsea-visit-Saturday.html More talks...the new monitoring! Amateur If its Martinez, they have no clue! Should you not be on Groomers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Strawberry said: The simple answer is NO. He took Swansea from the third division to the second, left to go to Wigan, won an fa cup and relegated them in the same season. He took over an Everton side that was rigid, compact and built for defending and enjoyed a season of decent form before the defensive wall he’d been left fell apart (sound familiar?). Then he did nothing, spent loads of money on dross, got sacked and went to Belgium, where he made the best group of players available to any country look good in qualifiers but nowhere near good enough to deal with proper elite sides in the late stages of competitions. Now Belgium have aged away their biggest opportunities and people around him are agitating for him to jump before he is pushed. The last part I’ve just pulled out of my arse but I’m writing it anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Pilgrim said: He took Swansea from the third division to the second, left to go to Wigan, won an fa cup and relegated them in the same season. He took over an Everton side that was rigid, compact and built for defending and enjoyed a season of decent form before the defensive wall he’d been left fell apart (sound familiar?). Then he did nothing, spent loads of money on dross, got sacked and went to Belgium, where he made the best group of players available to any country look good in qualifiers but nowhere near good enough to deal with proper elite sides in the late stages of competitions. Now Belgium have aged away their biggest opportunities and people around him are agitating for him to jump before he is pushed. The last part I’ve just pulled out of my arse but I’m writing it anyway. This in a nutshell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just needs someone with a plan and we should stay up. I’d include Howe, Lampard & Martinez in that. They’d be bottom of the list but I’m literally in the ‘anyone but Bruce would keep us up’ camp. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 It's going to be Martinez isn't it. I suppose he should be good enough to avoid relegation and get us into a comfortable mid-table position, so if he does that he will have done a decent enough job. I'd be very worried going forward after that though, giving him a chequebook. The money we have to spend in these early years needs to be spent incredibly wisely and I could see us wasting tens of millions on garbage like Ross Berkeley under him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrRaspberryJam Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Disappointing if its him but if he keeps us up then so be it. The next manager we appoint is only going to be a stepping stone anyway until we can attract someone bigger/better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Would be disappointed with Martinez too, but surely he isn't going to walk 12 months before a world cup anyway? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
et tu brute Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: A big fuck off to Martínez. If Jones is championing him he can fuck off n'al. Jones can fuck off big time. The one quote I thought was quite damning from him today was that he "Stresses Bruce was 'always open minded' and 'listened". This indicates to me exactly what I have always thought, in that Jones was a big part of the problem. If it's true that Charnley is conducting the interviews (it's the Chronicle I know), then that is defintely a concern also. Edited October 29, 2021 by et tu brute Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 There's far more evidence to suggest Martinez would get us relegated than steer us safe given: a) he's been relegated b) he's dragged a decent top half side into a relegation battle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I would be absolutely certain Martinez would relegate us, him and Lampard out of all the consistent links are the 2 I have dreaded us getting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4eva Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Not stressing over what happens next as it can't be worse than last 14 years. They will make mistakes but thinking they will learn and we will improve. I would have thought they have taken advice on board of what gets us out of relegation battle and can build a bit of a platform. For now im pretty happy with Not Bruce and hope they get a few wins to take pressure off a bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, Andy said: Would be disappointed with Martinez too, but surely he isn't going to walk 12 months before a world cup anyway? if I was him I’d skip my way to Newcastle, but I’m not him so I want him to stay at Belgium so there is one less team England need to worry about in 2022. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Prophet said: There's far more evidence to suggest Martinez would get us relegated than steer us safe given: a) he's been relegated b) he's dragged a decent top half side into a relegation battle. Evidence would suggest he’d win us our first trophy for 53 years if he takes us down so I’m cool with it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 He ticks a lot of boxes for them in that he knows the league, is known to our current head coach and he is a sporting director (or similar) at belgium and has overseen the total overhaul of their coaching and scouting as well as their new national training centre. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, Optimistic Nut said: Evidence would suggest he’d win us our first trophy for 53 years if he takes us down so I’m cool with it. yep Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 5 minutes ago, The Prophet said: There's far more evidence to suggest Martinez would get us relegated than steer us safe given: a) he's been relegated b) he's dragged a decent top half side into a relegation battle. did he drag Everton into a relegation battle? pretty sure he didn't like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 I don’t think anyone could dress his appointment up as anything other then massively underwhelming and it would likely end in our relegation. Obviously it’s only paper talk currently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nbthree3 Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 2015/16 season at Everton: FA Cup semi-final, League Cup semi-final... 11th place in the league on 47 points which matched 2014/15's points total exactly. (Martinez was sacked with the team on 44 points after 37 games) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, et tu brute said: Jones can fuck off big time. The one quote I thought was quite damning from him today was that he "Stresses Bruce was 'always open minded' and 'listened". This indicates to me exactly what I have always thought, in that Jones was a big part of the problem. If it's true that Charnley is conducting the interviews (it's the Chronicle I know), then that is defintely a concern also. Why the fuck is Charnley doing the interviews? Thats fucking terrifying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 3 minutes ago, lovejoy said: did he drag Everton into a relegation battle? pretty sure he didn't like. When he was binned off, they were 6 points off the relegation zone and had won 1 in 10. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGuv Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, reefatoon said: Why the fuck is Charnley doing the interviews? Thats fucking terrifying. Charnley isn’t doing the interviews fwiw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, nbthree3 said: 2015/16 season at Everton: FA Cup semi-final, League Cup semi-final... 11th place in the league on 47 points which matched 2014/15's points total exactly. (Martinez was sacked with the team on 44 points after 37 games) aye. Nowhere near a relegation battle, like. I get the disappointment (ish) but let’s at least be accurate. ’he’s taken every team backwards’ and ‘relegation battle with Everton’ etc is just bollocks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Where is this Martinez stuff coming from?? There are no credible links as far as I’ve seen. The journos have no idea but need to fill column inches. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 Just now, TheGuv said: Charnley isn’t doing the interviews fwiw. Is it likely to be Martinez ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted October 29, 2021 Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, reefatoon said: Why the fuck is Charnley doing the interviews? Thats fucking terrifying. If its true then they really don't know what they are doing. It can't possibly be though. Can it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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