Eddie Howe

[Shearergol]

1 minute ago, OverThere said:

To not see 4-3-3 on the road from the kick off, given the run of form. Grind out a result. Look at the state of the squad and employ the tactics based on that not on the system that I have schemed on paper

And if he doesn’t go with your tactic, how long?

[OverThere]

4 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

And if he doesn’t go with your tactic, how long?

What do you think would be reasonable? This season and the next?  Something like that. No Europe next year should see less games but I'm interested to see the evolution of tactics more based on form and fitness. 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by OverThere

[TheBrownBottle]

50 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

He was the manager for the entire season Bournemouth were relegated. That was his squad in full. If it was another manager - we would say that manager relegated the team. 
 

I don’t put a whole lot of stock in that. As others have said. He took them all the way up the football pyramid playing good football too. How can such a talented manager get relegated from the PL with a side that had been up for 2 or 3 seasons? I can see how with a little bad luck it could spiral.  That Bournemouth fan said he was ‘streaky’ and i see it. There’s a fair amount of hard running and ‘sticking in there’ when the going is tough in Howe-ball that works when the chips are up, but won’t work when the chips are down.  

Three teams have to go down - and given Bournemouth’s size and status, if they’re in the PL they’re in the mix for it.

 

Saying he ‘got’ them relegated implies the fault lies with him.  That’s pretty strong as he was the guy who got them up and established them in the first place - at some point they’re going to go down.  You can’t defy gravity forever.

 

For example this season I don’t look at Forest and think that Steve Cooper was to blame for where they are.  He hasn’t been successful in getting them away from the drop zone, but he’s did a good job when he was there IMO.  

[Shearergol]

Just now, OverThere said:

What do you think would be reasonable? This season and the next?  

If we don’t get our players back, I won’t be blaming the manager. If we have a squad and we still can’t win away, he’ll be gone by the end of next season.

[Wandy]

Eddie's got a bunch of lessons to learn from this season but it would be appalling to not give him all of this season and next to show his credentials. These rumours about Mourhino need to just fuck off and die. If that happens then the owners will have lost the plot already.

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, Wandy said:

Eddie's got a bunch of lessons to learn from this season but it would be appalling to not give him all of this season and next to show his credentials. These rumours about Mourhino need to just fuck off and die. If that happens then the owners will have lost the plot already.

I’d lose interest if Jose ever gets the job here.

[mighty__mag]

I've watched Eddie for a few weeks now, each time his body language has seemed off, he seems slightly agitated, like there's something going on? Can't put my finger on it, but it's like his energy has been zapped a bit.

 

 

 

 

[SUPERTOON]

1 minute ago, mighty__mag said:

I've watched Eddie for a few weeks now, each time his body language has seemed off, he seems slightly agitated, like there's something going on? Can't put my finger on it, but it's like his energy has been zapped a bit.

 

 

 

 

He’s been ill the last week or so (flu type illness), Edwards did an article on it, still hasn’t missed a day of training. Probably a bit run down.

[OverThere]

3 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

I've watched Eddie for a few weeks now, each time his body language has seemed off, he seems slightly agitated, like there's something going on? Can't put my finger on it, but it's like his energy has been zapped a bit.

 

 

 

 

I think he hates losing and works so hard that he doesn't get why we are.  System can't be the be all and end all. That's why I hope we get a flair player back in the squad 

 

 

Edited December 23, 2023 by OverThere

[mighty__mag]

Makes more sense now guys, cheers ??

[dcmk]

2 minutes ago, mighty__mag said:

I've watched Eddie for a few weeks now, each time his body language has seemed off, he seems slightly agitated, like there's something going on? Can't put my finger on it, but it's like his energy has been zapped a bit.

 

 

 

 

There is something going on..  we are unable to train at intensity, there is a lack of preparation time between matches, we are having to play players not at 100% fitness, we are unable to slowly integrate players back into the team after injuries and having them suffer reoccurances as a result. Can't press/counter press effectively anymore.  And to top it off we are conceding last minute goals.  Must be soul destroying for him.

 

 

[midds]

Got a horrible, familiar feeling this is going to get worse before it gets better. Next 6 or 7 fixtures are horrendous, we're in really poor shape and form and playing some huge games against some good teams

[TheGuv]

Howe’s game management at times can be a tad frustrating. But other than that, I honestly cannot believe people are genuinely discussing an alternative.

 

Also. Just a timely reminder that, around half a year ago, I said Mourinho would be given the job when Howe hit a bad run of form. Be careful what you wish for and all that jazz.

[ponsaelius]

I've said it before but one of Eddie's biggest strengths is that he's a Plan A coach. Set style of play, impose it on the opposition, stick to it and try to win on your terms. He has his system and 90% of the time he sticks to it. I like that and think it's generally the sign of a good manager with conviction in his training ground coaching and ability to motivate players.

 

However - this season we could have done with being slightly more flexible. Both in terms of system and in terms of approach game to game. We clearly have not been able to go hell for leather every games, and sometimes moving away from 4-3-3 might have been preferable given the personnel to grind out results. Similarly some of the in-game management has ranged from naive to completely ineffective.

 

There's a lot for him to work on, but unless we have a complete meltdown second half of the season he needs to be given the chance to see it through this season and next. It does feel like he's had some absolutely rotten luck to compound some of the decision making and mistakes.

[Mattoon]

It's the worst run we've had since he first came in and was steadying the ship. Completely different set of circumstances obviously but no less difficult for him, he's trying to turn an oil tanker with most of the rudder missing.

 

Having said that, it's clear that the current tactics with the current personnel isn't working away from home and yet he will not divert. We will tear it up again when he has options and players aren't being run into the ground, but you can't stick a time stamp on that or even presume we get a clean bill of health between now and the end of the season.

[Wandy]

Just now, midds said:

Got a horrible, familiar feeling this is going to get worse before it gets better. Next 6 or 7 fixtures are horrendous, we're in really poor shape and form and playing some huge games against some good teams

 

As long as we don't lose the derby I think the vast majority will tolerate a drop off into upper mid table this season. The Mackems beat us though and the criticism will be horribly ugly.

[Holmesy]

1 minute ago, Wandy said:

 

As long as we don't lose the derby I think the vast majority will tolerate a drop off into upper mid table this season. The Mackems beat us though and the criticism will be horribly ugly.

I’m not sure about this. It’s not just the results, the performances are awful. If there was a collective feeling we’ve missed out on wins due to bad luck I think people would take it. The abject performances will never be accepted I don’t think

[Kid Icarus]

All this talk of the derby being a huge deal, yet it was honestly like the majority of our fanbase had been labotomised when Pardew had us getting dicked by them on the reg.

[Wandy]

5 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I’m not sure about this. It’s not just the results, the performances are awful. If there was a collective feeling we’ve missed out on wins due to bad luck I think people would take it. The abject performances will never be accepted I don’t think

 

Agree, the performances have been dreadful. What I mean is that the fanbase will tolerate that this season and put it down to a learning experience for the manager. But derby defeat won't be tolerated without savage criticism.

[Wandy]

3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

All this talk of the derby being a huge deal, yet it was honestly like the majority of our fanbase had been labotomised when Pardew had us getting dicked by them on the reg.

 

We were on their level in those games. Now there is a chasm between the two clubs. There is justified expectation to win the game.

[ryanegg]

5 minutes ago, Holmesy said:

I’m not sure about this. It’s not just the results, the performances are awful. If there was a collective feeling we’ve missed out on wins due to bad luck I think people would take it. The abject performances will never be accepted I don’t think

I’d say the injuries are bad luck. The bad performances are simply due to the lads being knackered too imo. 

[Displayname]

I think Eddie has had too much focus on the game in front of him and not the long term squad management this season. The intensive playstyle in every game was never going to work longtime with the amount of games we had so far with our current squad. 

 

Couple of freak injuries sure didnt help, but then you need to prioritize and give some youngsters opportunities in the lesser important games like the league cup and even the premier league to be frank. 

Having Gordon, Almiron, Trippier etc play 2x90mins a week have only resulted in them ending up being poor in most recent games. Im not being captain hindsight here, said we would end up like now for quite some time now.

 

But its Howe's first season with this amount of games and im sure he will learn and gain some wisdom when he gets time to reflect over the season.

 

And im also confident we will come back strong in the second half of the season now that we can focus on fewer games.

[The College Dropout]

9 minutes ago, Wandy said:

 

Agree, the performances have been dreadful. What I mean is that the fanbase will tolerate that this season and put it down to a learning experience for the manager. But derby defeat won't be tolerated without savage criticism.

 No they won’t. 

[Wandy]

1 minute ago, The College Dropout said:

 No they won’t. 

 

They wont tolerate upper mid table? Yeah they will.

[WideopenMag]

6 minutes ago, Displayname said:

I think Eddie has had too much focus on the game in front of him and not the long term squad management this season. The intensive playstyle in every game was never going to work longtime with the amount of games we had so far with our current squad. 

 

Couple of freak injuries sure didnt help, but then you need to prioritize and give some youngsters opportunities in the lesser important games like the league cup and even the premier league to be frank. 

Having Gordon, Almiron, Trippier etc play 2x90mins a week have only resulted in them ending up being poor in most recent games. Im not being captain hindsight here, said we would end up like now for quite some time now.

 

But its Howe's first season with this amount of games and im sure he will learn and gain some wisdom when he gets time to reflect over the season.

 

And im also confident we will come back strong in the second half of the season now that we can focus on fewer games.

The league cup wasn't a lesser important game though, it was a cup quater final one of if not the biggest game of the season. It wasn't the time and place to rotate or rest at all. Earlier in the competition Howe did rotate quite successfully, the rest of the campaign including the league the opportunity has been taking away from him through injury.