Eddie Howe

[Menace]

To think some people genuinely wanted Mourinho in a few weeks ago man... insane stuff

[Bunk Moreland]

13 hours ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

I don’t think it was always obvious that Tonali would play deepest. From what I understand of his career so far he’s been very much box-to-box.

 

Aye, when he signed Milan fans were telling us he was a much more advanced midfielder and we shouldn't expect him to be this deep so I was one of those who'd altered expectations.

[mondonewc]

51 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

Allways puzzled by the expectation some have that if you criticize Howe it means you're anti Howe and if you ever give him creds it's all fake. The idea of someone just trying to be honest and somewhat balanced instead of polarizing and having clear agendas is apparently unheard of. It's interesting because if I'd instead somehow be critizicing Howe for something right now, you'd ridicule that aswell.

 

I'm giving Howe credits now because he made things work. Things didn't work earlier in the season. I judge based on recent performances. It's not that deep.

 

 

 

A lot of the contributions criticising Howe had zero balance though! 

 

Some of the posts about Howe and Tindall where fucking beyond disrespectful. 

 

Of course, it's fine to be critical, Howe will get it wrong sometimes, and it's more than fair to call that out, in a constructive way. Some of the comments and criticism where nonsense though, and hopefully some who contributed to that noise will be a bit less haste to be in the "Howe out" or "Howe's too stubborn to change" camps next time we have a blip and give the man the time and support he's earnt and deserves!

[Lotus]

If it was obvious to a lot of us that Tonali could be just what we needed at 6 and it would help integrate him into the team than you can bet EH saw it too. Whatever prevented that at the time must have been valid. My guess is it was issues with Tonali himself.

[Super Duper Branko Strupar]

I think it was more likely more than just Tonali, but the entire 3. It's not just a change for Tonali, it's a change for all 3. And everyone else tbf. Including playing out from the back, the balls to the full backs, the runs of the wingers, the balls Isak expects. I've no doubt at all this change was always the plan, though I do know Howe hates suggesting he has midfielders set in certain positions to make it easy for the opposition. It's not just been integrating Tonali, it's been integrating the entire team in to the new system. It's not just a case of a different player in a position someone else had, that role has changed with the different attributes Tonali has. Would I have liked to see us like this quicker? Yes. Do I think it's as easy as just plopping him in there and it working out this well? Absolutely fucking not.

 

Credit to Howe for us working this well pretty much as soon as the change has been made. Most teams make the change before the systems is working. Howe doesn't do that and I see the argument and the benefits. Confidence from the off, rather than the risk of trying to gain it game by game and maybe it not working and it impacting the confidence or players view of the change.

 

He's smarter than us all.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Super Duper Branko Strupar

[M1tche]

Delighted with what he's done with the team to turn round the form. Really hope we keep going and get Europe because I can see the owner pulling the trigger if we're not in any European competition. I'll follow that up by saying, I don't want that to happen. 

 

He's the perfect fit for us, and want him here long term. If there's money to spend, I want him to be the one building the team with it. 

[Geordie Ahmed]

I have no issues with those that were critical of Howe, whether that was the team selection, formation, tactics, subs etc etc

 

It's quite reasonable to ask "where has the intensity gone?", "an xG of 0.04 is not good enough" and so on 

 

The issue I have is those that were clamouring for Mourinho, those that said they had enough, that it was time to go, time to move on, he's done, blah, blah, blah 

 

Those are the people that need to present themselves and accept they were being impatient, petulant and quite frankly utterly disrespectful towards a manager that has been on the whole bloody amazing for us

 

Those that backed Howe were not saying an xG of 0.04 was acceptable but rather Howe has a body of work at this club that he has morethan earned the right to correct any poor performances/results

 

The impatient would do well to remember that the next time we do have some poor performances/results 

 

TLDR : Eddie is lush, stop calling for him to be sacked whenever we have a bad spell 

[Southern Geordie]

Completely agree.

 

if we want to be the next Manure and start sacking managers every six-twelve months, then fine.

 

if we want to actually build the club up to a competitive and successful outfit, Eddie is the man.

[Erikse]

1 hour ago, mondonewc said:

A lot of the contributions criticising Howe had zero balance though! 

 

Some of the posts about Howe and Tindall where fucking beyond disrespectful. 

 

Of course, it's fine to be critical, Howe will get it wrong sometimes, and it's more than fair to call that out, in a constructive way. Some of the comments and criticism where nonsense though, and hopefully some who contributed to that noise will be a bit less haste to be in the "Howe out" or "Howe's too stubborn to change" camps next time we have a blip and give the man the time and support he's earnt and deserves!

 

It really seemed like it was aimed at me as I was the one who used the word "creds" like 2 posts before, but I haven't read all the pages from yesterday and today. Maybe it wasn't, my bad if so.

 

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Erikse

[Displayname]

19 minutes ago, Geordie Ahmed said:

I have no issues with those that were critical of Howe, whether that was the team selection, formation, tactics, subs etc etc

 

It's quite reasonable to ask "where has the intensity gone?", "an xG of 0.04 is not good enough" and so on 

 

The issue I have is those that were clamouring for Mourinho, those that said they had enough, that it was time to go, time to move on, he's done, blah, blah, blah 

 

Those are the people that need to present themselves and accept they were being impatient, petulant and quite frankly utterly disrespectful towards a manager that has been on the whole bloody amazing for us

 

Those that backed Howe were not saying an xG of 0.04 was acceptable but rather Howe has a body of work at this club that he has morethan earned the right to correct any poor performances/results

 

The impatient would do well to remember that the next time we do have some poor performances/results 

 

TLDR : Eddie is lush, stop calling for him to be sacked whenever we have a bad spell 

Never called for him to be sacked, but I have no problem with coming forward admitting that i took the criticisms to far and doubted Eddie to much. Would like to say I have learned, but knowing myself thats probably not true. 

[J7]

We look as good as we have since points of the season finishing 4th, if not better in the last few games. The criticism a month or so ago was still valid though. The next three games will tell us even more too as we’ve fluffed a lot of big games over the past few years.

[kingxlnc]

He has had to redesign his all systems go philosophy on the fly so naturally it's going to take some tweaking to get it working. The result is measured controlled high performances that is sustainable and should minimise injury. 
 

Tonali wasn't available in pre season remember and Bunce had only just come in. As did Mitchell, plus the chaos of the summer window.
 

It's not a surprise that he needed some time to figure it out but I do think this is now very well set up and bodes excitingly. 

 

However a system is only as good as it's quickest point of failure. It's very heavily reliant on Isak (so needs backup) and Tonali/Bruno and also Schar. So we do need adequate backup in case the spine is out. 

 

 

[toon25]

He has to be up there as one of the best at improving players and getting them playing beyond their capabilities. It takes some time, but just look at what he's done with the likes of Murphy, Burn etc.

 

Has to be given money to spend in Jan.

[Displayname]

1 hour ago, toon25 said:

He has to be up there as one of the best at improving players and getting them playing beyond their capabilities. It takes some time, but just look at what he's done with the likes of Murphy, Burn etc.

 

Has to be given money to spend in Jan.

After this run i agree, he has to be given money to push for top 4-5. Paying a little overprice would easily be worth it if we get another CL qualification. 

If that means we have to sell in the summer then so be it.

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Displayname

[The College Dropout]

49 minutes ago, Erikse said:

 

It really seemed like it was aimed at me as I was the one who used the word "creds" like 2 posts before, but I haven't read all the pages from yesterday and today. Maybe it wasn't, my bad if so.

 

 

 

You were never knee jerking calling for him to be sacked. You said we were bad which was the truth. 
 

I’ve never been a Howe fanboy but I was shocked by how quickly people turned on him. We were bad but we weren’t that bad. People were acting like we were 15 points off the pace and needed a change.  It felt like the twilight zone.  Having barely changed my stance on how I became one of his biggest supporters  football fans are very fickle

[Displayname]

Just now, The College Dropout said:

You were never knee jerking calling for him to be sacked. You said we were bad which was the truth. 
 

I’ve never been a Howe fanboy but I was shocked by how quickly people turned on him. We were bad but we weren’t that bad. People were acting like we were 15 points off the pace and needed a change.  It felt like the twilight zone.  Having barely changed my stance on how I became one of his biggest supporters  football fans are very fickle

There is also an effect where the positive people on the forum retreat a little in tough times and negative people take their place. Not necessarily people just people being as fickle as me.

[Decky]

2 hours ago, Menace said:

To think some people genuinely wanted Mourinho in a few weeks ago man... insane stuff

 

Did anyone actually come out and say this?

[The College Dropout]

7 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

Did anyone actually come out and say this?

I remember there were more than one in favour of this.

[Geordie Ahmed]

18 minutes ago, Decky said:

 

Did anyone actually come out and say this?

Can't say if it was here but I knew a couple of whoppers in real life that were serious about it 

[Decky]

Madness. Even if you thought Howe wasn't good enough, fucking Mourinho? 

 

 

Edited 13 hours ago by Decky

[Lotus]

Football is very emotive, that’s what’s special about it and when people get emotional they get a bit trigger happy with overly positive or negative thoughts. Totally natural. 
I hate seeing posters give it the ‘I’m a completely rational being’ as if having emotional swings and expressing them is some kind of weakness. If people started kicking the dog or abusing their partners/friends then sure, but if all they’re doing is venting on a message board….. 

I cannot for the life of me relate to a feeling of superiority one could muster by talking down to folks who are upset about a football result. It’s a cunt’s move tbh.

Also, you’ve no idea what else I’d going on in their lives. 
If it seems like they’re overreacting, set an example. Don’t condescend and think you’ve garnered some sort of keyboard kudos.

[Tiresias]

Anyone wanting mourinho is madness. I did ponder his future after i think the west ham result. I wondered if he had taken us as far as he could and if the squad would regain the spark and if a new manager could be brought in to get his feet under the table before a summer rebuild caused by us maybe having to move on some of our 'purples' and give them a chance to build it in their image. I wasnt even blaming howe too much he was badly let down in the summer and i just thought we'd stayed still in the summer and that was going to lead to regression. I thought with Staverley gone his biggest ally was gone and so Howe may feel being pushed out a bit and maybe we have to bring in a coach who can work in the new system. 

 

However no obvious 'upgrade' of a coach is or was available (certainly not Mou) regardless and its clear the players are still completely on board, so I am very glad to see we are back to playing as we want. The loss of defensive solidity and our lack of goals was concerning. I was also thinking that qualifying for europe was looking pretty unlikely and that would guide the thinking of the owners, however it seems incompetence elsewhere has left us still very much in the mix

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Lotus said:

Football is very emotive, that’s what’s special about it and when people get emotional they get a bit trigger happy with overly positive or negative thoughts. Totally natural. 
I hate seeing posters give it the ‘I’m a completely rational being’ as if having emotional swings and expressing them is some kind of weakness. If people started kicking the dog or abusing their partners/friends then sure, but if all they’re doing is venting on a message board….. 

I cannot for the life of me relate to a feeling of superiority one could muster by talking down to folks who are upset about a football result. It’s a cunt’s move tbh.

Also, you’ve no idea what else I’d going on in their lives. 
If it seems like they’re overreacting, set an example. Don’t condescend and think you’ve garnered some sort of keyboard kudos.

I agree with this fully. I just couldn’t understand how quickly the pendulum swung away from Howe. 
 

West Ham was a massive nadir tbf. I was braced for the worst. For me Howe has earned himself a full season. Only a relegation battle would make me want us to sack him mid season.  Let him ride our 38 league games. If he finishes 11th and he gets sacked - no problem.  
 

I also don’t think the squad is so good that changing managers will govern us a massive uptick mid season. It’s his squad, he’ll likely get the most out of it. If we want/need a change do it in June when we can refresh the squad.  

[Lotus]

It seems in times gone by managers would have the odd bad season here and there but would be trusted to put it right if they’d been seen to do it before. 
Now it seems a tricky run of results and the knives start sharpening. 
I've been guilty of wondering if EH has run out of ideas but (I think) I kept them to myself and talked myself into being patient. He’s had sticky patches before and turned it around. He’ll have more in the future I’m sure and I reckon he’ll probably turn those around too.

If Pep can have a rough patch anyone can.