Mountain Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) I don't neccesarily mind losing games. But we play really boring stuff a lot of the time, the obsession with going wide and looking for overlaps is so dull to watch, just cross it first time without an overlap, also why do we have it drilled in to the players to go wide constantly, why is there no central play. It's boring. Edited February 28 by Mountain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 (edited) 🎵 Don't it always seem to go... Edited February 28 by Kid Icarus Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 I look at our squad and think we just don’t have the players to play good possession football. That doesn’t mean hanging onto the ball and doing nothing for 20 passes around your own box, means passing and moving and getting the ball upfield in a controlled manner without trying Hollywood balls every 3rd touch. We don’t do it and I think it must be the squad. But the likes of Everton and Fulham can do it. Some of Everton’s passing today was pretty class tbh. Then I think we’ve got Hall, Botman, Bruno, Sandro and Wolt. Those are ballers tbh. So then I start thinking it must be the system. I started to think we needed a change last season but then we won the Cup and I just stopped thinking about it. Job done. But the next season has come and we’ve got worse. I’ve total faith in the idea that Eddie can see exactly what’s going wrong and what adjustments the players should be making to address that. Are they just not listening? Is the plan he’s trying to implement just not good enough? Is it good enough in principle but he hasn’t the right players to make it work? Is there not a tactical ideology out there that could make these players mesh and be effective? It’s March (almost), we can’t say he hasn’t spent enough time with the players to get his ideas across. What’s going wrong? We can neither attack effectively nor defend. A midfield doesn’t create enough and doesn’t protect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: 🎵 Don't it always seem to go... Don't it always seem to go That you don't know what you've got 'Til it's gone They paved paradise And put up a parking lot Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Must admit if I was paying £800 for a season ticket I'd probably be a bit pissed off as the standard definitely doesn't justify the cost but as a Firestick fan I think we need to persevere basically because of what he's already done and I wouldn't have a clue who to bring in to replace him. Also I do think there's a chance he can turn this around. However all you who pay to watch this rubbish. You have my sympathy. It's not great. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Still believe the most worried I could possibly be is if we got rid of Howe any time soon. I'd have far more concerns about next season than I do now. Edited March 1 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cf Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 13 minutes ago, Whitley mag said: I couldn’t give a fuck about City and Barcelona, this team is winning nothing this season, but similar displays and results against Man U and the mackems will raise further questions about his future. No actual fan of NUFC speaks like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Just now, Wallsendmag said: Must admit if I was paying £800 for a season ticket I'd probably be a bit pissed off as the standard definitely doesn't justify the cost but as a Firestick fan I think we need to persevere basically because of what he's already done and I wouldn't have a clue who to bring in to replace him. Also I do think there's a chance he can turn this around. However all you who pay to watch this rubbish. You have my sympathy. It's not great. No point replacing our dear leader right now as everyone else is shit when it comes to the crunch. Look at Thomas the Frank Engine, everyone was saying he was amazing, Tottenham signed him on a lucrative contract and then he was abysmal. Similar story with Glasner, Palace are shit. Hürzeler has had a poor season. Iraola is doing ok but he's too ugly physically to be a manager I'd ever want to represent my club, same with Dracula at Villa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 finishing 17th and winning the FA cup will do for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 hours ago, OoOGazOoO said: Given how Man Utd have turned a corner with Carrick, and after today, I am definitely not looking forward to Wednesday evening. It's not as rosy as it looks. I would say there's an argument that each performance has been worse than the previous one since we beat City. We were average to poor against Fulham, West Ham and Everton and were nicking points thanks to Sesko producing magic off the bench. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I love Howe for wanting to win every game but we simply don't have the first team/squad to go all in, especially if we don't get a favourable draw in the cup competitions Out of the 7 cup ties we've had this season, 6 will have been against Premier League opposition (including City and Arsenal (the only other two sides that were in all competitions at the start of Feb) in comparison only face 3 Premier League opposition, plus they have better squads due to their much bigger budgets I don't think he'll change but for his own sake he probably needs to give priority to the league, as ultimately that's what gets the voices growing louder and louder. You lose a cup tie and people quickly get over it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wallsendmag Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mountain said: No point replacing our dear leader right now as everyone else is shit when it comes to the crunch. Look at Thomas the Frank Engine, everyone was saying he was amazing, Tottenham signed him on a lucrative contract and then he was abysmal. Similar story with Glasner, Palace are shit. Hürzeler has had a poor season. Iraola is doing ok but he's too ugly physically to be a manager I'd ever want to represent my club, same with Dracula at Villa. Agree. The football is tedious, the results are poor, we can't defend to save our lives, we've spent £135m on 2 impotent strikers and another £55 on a winger who looks like he's never played football before, we've let our neighbours who 3 years ago were in Division 3 get ahead of us, but despite all that, I wouldn't sack him. Just crack on, it'll get better. Edited March 1 by Wallsendmag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Froggy said: It's not as rosy as it looks. I would say there's an argument that each performance has been worse than the previous one since we beat City. We were average to poor against Fulham, West Ham and Everton and were nicking points thanks to Sesko producing magic off the bench. Being in no cups has helped you a lot lately. Which is a testament to the philosophy of having a big squad and rotating, something we could have done but did not (signed more players from Europe for cheaper and had a manager that was comfortable to rotate properly) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 1 minute ago, Wallsendmag said: Agree. The football is tedious, the results are poor, we can't defend to save our lives, we've spent £135m on 2 impotent strikers and another on a winger who looks like he's never played football before, we've let our neighbours who 3 years ago were in Division 3 get ahead of us, but despite all that, I wouldn't sack him. Just crack on, it'll get better. My sentiments exactly, well said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 20 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Still believe the most worried I could possibly be is if we got rid of Howe any time soon. I'd have far more concerns about next season than I do now. Aye I still have full faith on Howe to bring us back on track next season as long as he survived this summer. What I concern is the 2027/28 season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moose Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 3 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: I don't think we look particularly tired. Just players who have been great for us declining rapidly now and new signings not hitting the ground running other than probably Thiaw. I've said for a while that this team is the decomposing corpse of the 2022/23 squad. Every window is an opportunity to carry out minor operations to freshen things up but instead of a minor operation we now need open heart surgery after basically opting out of 3 of the previous 4 windows and badly fumbling the summer 25 window The squad looks jaded, Howe keeps going back to the well with players who are lesser versions of themselves when they first came in. He could be more flexible or creative with his tactics but that's cock all use if whoever running the club is either giving him shit players or no players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 We're having a poor season, but have still made it to a semi final, are in the last 16 of the champions league and still in the FA Cup. Give Eddie the keys to the city, he's the fucking man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Moose said: I've said for a while that this team is the decomposing corpse of the 2022/23 squad. Every window is an opportunity to carry out minor operations to freshen things up but instead of a minor operation we now need open heart surgery after basically opting out of 3 of the previous 4 windows and badly fumbling the summer 25 window The squad looks jaded, Howe keeps going back to the well with players who are lesser versions of themselves when they first came in. He could be more flexible or creative with his tactics but that's cock all use if whoever running the club is either giving him shit players or no players. Howe had over 240 million in the Summer to spend how he wished. He did spend it how he wished. Edited March 1 by Mountain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danh1 Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 42 minutes ago, Moose said: I've said for a while that this team is the decomposing corpse of the 2022/23 squad. Every window is an opportunity to carry out minor operations to freshen things up but instead of a minor operation we now need open heart surgery after basically opting out of 3 of the previous 4 windows and badly fumbling the summer 25 window The squad looks jaded, Howe keeps going back to the well with players who are lesser versions of themselves when they first came in. He could be more flexible or creative with his tactics but that's cock all use if whoever running the club is either giving him shit players or no players. Agree with you but don’t personally absolve Howe from any blame there. We don’t know any of the facts but I think Howe is happy to have the likes of Pope, Trippier, Burn, Murphy still heavily involved in the team. Also we targeted Elanga for more than one window, clearly one of Howe’s targets. its been a long season, despite us doing well in the cups and Europe I haven’t enjoyed it at all. Big changes are needed as we cannot go on like this. I’m not saying change the manager either, but there needs to be some ruthlessness in the summer, and there needs to be a charge in the type of player we sign. We need players that will come in and upgrade us. The money we spent in the summer and only Thiaw has come in and been a marked improvement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 2 minutes ago, Danh1 said: Agree with you but don’t personally absolve Howe from any blame there. We don’t know any of the facts but I think Howe is happy to have the likes of Pope, Trippier, Burn, Murphy still heavily involved in the team. Also we targeted Elanga for more than one window, clearly one of Howe’s targets. its been a long season, despite us doing well in the cups and Europe I haven’t enjoyed it at all. Big changes are needed as we cannot go on like this. I’m not saying change the manager either, but there needs to be some ruthlessness in the summer, and there needs to be a charge in the type of player we sign. We need players that will come in and upgrade us. The money we spent in the summer and only Thiaw has come in and been a marked improvement. I don't disagree, what's with the profile pic though? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohmelads Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 5 minutes ago, Mountain said: Howe had over 240 million in the Summer to spend how he wished. He did spend it how he wished. Do we know for a fact Howe was in charge of the transfers? Identifying talents, scouting, negotiating? Seems like a lot for a manager to be taking on. He may have just given them the thumbs up, but we don't know what his options were. We do know that we were struggling to sign anyone wanted by the cartel, and our two most expensive signings were panic buys because of Isak. Ramsey looked like pure (and terribly misguided) opportunism. How much input Howe had is pure speculation. What is on Howe is the refusal to rotate his squad. Tonali played every minute of the second leg against Qarabag and that was totally unnecessary. Bruno got injured playing PSV chasing an extremely improbable top 8 place while we were mathematically basically through. Joelinton also started the PSV game and came off injured a few days later. Howe is responsible for those team selections and he's got them horribly wrong. He is running players into the ground in games they don't need to play in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mountain Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 9 minutes ago, ohmelads said: Do we know for a fact Howe was in charge of the transfers? Identifying talents, scouting, negotiating? Seems like a lot for a manager to be taking on. He may have just given them the thumbs up, but we don't know what his options were. We do know that we were struggling to sign anyone wanted by the cartel, and our two most expensive signings were panic buys because of Isak. Ramsey looked like pure (and terribly misguided) opportunism. How much input Howe had is pure speculation. What is on Howe is the refusal to rotate his squad. Tonali played every minute of the second leg against Qarabag and that was totally unnecessary. Bruno got injured playing PSV chasing an extremely improbable top 8 place while we were mathematically basically through. Joelinton also started the PSV game and came off injured a few days later. Howe is responsible for those team selections and he's got them horribly wrong. He is running players into the ground in games they don't need to play in. I will answer your first question, nah I don't know tbh lol. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyBartoon Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 I honestly think this summer has to be a complete reset. This isn’t about adding one or two players and hoping for the best. The whole squad needs ripping apart and rebuilt properly. We’ve got too many aging players who can’t maintain intensity over a full season, too many signings that simply haven’t worked out, and now likely no European football to fall back on either. That changes everything in terms of pull, finances and momentum. You can’t paper over cracks anymore. The squad looks stale, unbalanced and short of real competition in key areas. Some players have peaked, others clearly aren’t good enough, and a few just don’t suit the system. Fair play to Howe, but he’s got a massive job on his hands. This is the biggest test of his time here. Recruitment has to be spot on, decisions have to be ruthless, and sentiment can’t play a part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverThere Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 (edited) Big summer coming up. We need a keeper, a CF, another CH, a better RW and I think a holding midfielder (one who likes possession). IMO there are several that need to go including Elanga and Wissa -- horrible buys. Edited March 1 by OverThere Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted March 1 Share Posted March 1 Mind you the result won’t suddenly come great just after a summer reset. New players need time to learn Howe’s tactics. Manage your expectation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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