Eddie Howe

[r0cafella]

2 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Genuine question, but why is Elanga getting more patience than Wissa? Seems like there's a negative opinion of Wissa but a lot of people jumping to Elanga's defence and even praising him when he does the bare minimum.

 

Wissa has contributed more than Elanga from a stats viewpoint, and also had an injury to deal with. He have a bad attitude?

Because Wissa was the absolutely must come in and perform guy, we paid a massive premium for that and he hasn't delivered hence people having it in for him  

 

Not to mention the lack of perceived effort in some games. 

[Froggy]

Just now, r0cafella said:

Because Wissa was the absolutely must come in and perform guy, we paid a massive premium for that and he hasn't delivered hence people having it in for him  

 

Not to mention the lack of perceived effort in some games. 

 

Aye I had a feeling it would be to do with effort. Elanga might not play well but effort will never be an issue with him. 

 

3 months out with an injury before you kick a ball for a new club is difficult to recover from mind. 

[Yorkie]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Genuine question, but why is Elanga getting more patience than Wissa? Seems like there's a negative opinion of Wissa but a lot of people jumping to Elanga's defence and even praising him when he does the bare minimum.

 

Wissa has contributed more than Elanga from a stats viewpoint, and also had an injury to deal with. He have a bad attitude?

 

I've no beef with Wissa the person; it's just the fact that his transfer failing has had a massive impact on the season. 

 

Going from Isak to no reliable strikers has been a sledgehammer to the season. 

 

Going from a gap left by Almiron to an underperforming winger has been annoying, but hasn't really been a contributing factor to our regression.

[r0cafella]

Just now, Froggy said:

 

Aye I had a feeling it would be to do with effort. Elanga might not play well but effort will never be an issue with him. 

 

3 months out with an injury before you kick a ball for a new club is difficult to recover from mind. 

Indeed, but he's had time to get up to speed by now and still looks woeful. 

 

Fwiw I don't think Elanga has that much rope but at least he's put in a couple of decent performances I'm not sure the same can be said for Wissa. 

 

At this stage both are expensive mistakes mind. 

[Shadow Puppets]

I think Elanga is showing a lot more right now to deserve support. His final decision making hasn't been great, but he's put in some very good attacking, problem-causing, performances recently.

Wissa... I'm yet to see anything at all to hang your hat on.

[54]

6 minutes ago, Froggy said:

 

Genuine question, but why is Elanga getting more patience than Wissa? Seems like there's a negative opinion of Wissa but a lot of people jumping to Elanga's defence and even praising him when he does the bare minimum.

 

Wissa has contributed more than Elanga from a stats viewpoint, and also had an injury to deal with. He have a bad attitude?

It just comes down to perceived effort, you can see that Elanga is giving everything he can when he's playing, and that with a bit of fine tuning there is a potential upside to his play style, like against Barcelona he had a really good game, and had the beating on Cancelo continually, but its just that final ball isn't landing, he's also still only 23, so has plenty of time to come good.

 

Wissa on the other hand was the slot in a buy option and we paid a premium for it, and rather unluckily he got injured straight away and just hasn't recovered. Add in that when he does play he doesn't seem to press, there is a perceived lack of effort on his part. Personally I think every professional footballer will give their all on the pitch, and by all accounts he has a good attitude behind the scenes, but at 30, only scoring 2 goals in nearly a season is just a failure, especially when Osula is now starting ahead of him. 

[LFEE]

30 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Woltemade + 50% of Wilson's time is still more than Woltemade + Wissa, with £55m saved.

 

@LFEE has made the suggestion (edgelord check still pending) that we shouldn't have signed any striker and kept our powder dry until the market settled down. Keeping Wilson would've at least enabled us to hold some money back. 

 

I think the underlying point is that, as far as the striker situation went, we were between a rock and a hard place, and then got an additional boulder to the knackers when Wissa did his knee. I don't think Howe etc really deserve any stick at all for how the striker situation has turned out 

 

26 minutes ago, r0cafella said:

Yeah we obviously got unlucky/handled the Wissa situation poorly but it's one of those situations whereby we are trying to correct the previous issue (hanging on to Wilson too long) same mistake we are making with Pope. 

 

@LFEE obviously enjoyed our championship seasons a bit too much because following that mental suggestion would have ended up with us playing in it next season like. 

 

I was always of the opinion you keep Isak regardless of how unhappy and if still not resolved sell in January or Summer 26.

 

I said go for BEK from Leicester as was keen for us to get more creativity, mobility and goals from a player who could drop wide and deeper if needed and he was on a set fee low wages. Didn’t understand the thinking it was either HIM or Ramsey.

 

The backup plan was picking up DCL and Vardy on free’s as placeholders for 25/26 whilst the situation was determined with Isak or if sold and no one ideal available.

 

Was the lone wolf on here to say don’t go near big Nick and that he’d cause more problems than he’d solve.

 

Not sure what Edge check is or if it checks our WhatsApp or others 

 

Never suggested not having any forwards. Just suggested at worse get 2 without paying fees for them.

 

 

[Optimistic Nut]

Wonder if he ever takes a moment to reflect on his rise from the very bottom of the league ladder, to building a team that doesn't just compete with teams like PSG and Barcelona, but actually has them on the ropes? If not, he should, it's fucking brilliant. 

[Yorkie]

1 hour ago, LFEE said:

 

 

I was always of the opinion you keep Isak regardless of how unhappy and if still not resolved sell in January or Summer 26.

 

I said go for BEK from Leicester as was keen for us to get more creativity, mobility and goals from a player who could drop wide and deeper if needed and he was on a set fee low wages. Didn’t understand the thinking it was either HIM or Ramsey.

 

The backup plan was picking up DCL and Vardy on free’s as placeholders for 25/26 whilst the situation was determined with Isak or if sold and no one ideal available.

 

Was the lone wolf on here to say don’t go near big Nick and that he’d cause more problems than he’d solve.

 

Not sure what Edge check is or if it checks our WhatsApp or others 

 

Never suggested not having any forwards. Just suggested at worse get 2 without paying fees for them.

 

 

 

I'm saying you maybe had a point, but just hanging onto Wilson for another year would've been the low risk option to delivered no worse results than the Wissa signing. All hindsight of course 

[Optimistic Nut]

Wilson's last few appearances for us end of last season were along the lines of Wissa this season. Would have been typical Newcastle for us to have kept Wilson, West Ham sign Wissa, and they have each others' seasons this year. 

[Keefaz]

[Kid Icarus]

2 hours ago, Interpolic said:

We don't know the details but it does not seem Howe had adequate support with Isak, at all. He couldn't honour Staveley's contract promise himself. He couldn't commit to an agreement to sell him in a future window. He was let down badly by Mitchell and others. 

 

Players will have gripes at their clubs all the time but they don't usually go scorched earth at a club that has rejuvenated their career. So with that and the Sky 6 all wanting to flex, it was a perfect storm we had to make the best out of. 

 

I'd love to know which strikers we should have signed instead of Wissa and Wolte btw, after seeing us lose out on one player after another all summer. And you just know the same posters would be furious if we'd gone with just Gordon + Osula + one other instead. 

 

This is exactly it. I was happy for us to go for Calvert-Lewin and with hindsight both him or Wilson for a year would have been good decisions, but the people whinging now would have been apoplectic about those choices, because they were over the prospect of them at the time. 

 

The only plausible alternative to Woltemade at the time was Stand-Larsen, and it was clear that Wolves weren't going to let it happen. Us getting Woltemade at the time was seen as us somehow landing on our feet. Some people want to have the cake of reviewing signings before and as they happen, and then eat it by reviewing it again later in the season. 

 

 

Edited March 12 by Kid Icarus

[Kid Icarus]

8 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Wilson's last few appearances for us end of last season were along the lines of Wissa this season. Would have been typical Newcastle for us to have kept Wilson, West Ham sign Wissa, and they have each others' seasons this year. 

 

Alternatively it could just be another example of why you shouldn't give up on players willy nilly. 

[The College Dropout]

3 hours ago, Froggy said:

 

Genuine question, but why is Elanga getting more patience than Wissa? Seems like there's a negative opinion of Wissa but a lot of people jumping to Elanga's defence and even praising him when he does the bare minimum.

 

Wissa has contributed more than Elanga from a stats viewpoint, and also had an injury to deal with. He have a bad attitude?

Wissa being behind Osula in the starting line-up is damning of him.

 

Elanga is at least getting selected. He's showing enough to Eddie for that at least.

[The College Dropout]

1 hour ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

This is exactly it. I was happy for us to go for Calvert-Lewin and with hindsight both him or Wilson for a year would have been good decisions, but the people whinging now would have been apoplectic about those choices, because they were over the prospect of them at the time. 

 

The only plausible alternative to Woltemade at the time was Stand-Larsen, and it was clear that Wolves weren't going to let it happen. Us getting Woltemade at the time was seen as us somehow landing on our feet. Some people want to have the cake of reviewing signings before and as they happen, and then eat it by reviewing it again later in the season. 

 

 

 

Upon reflection, we were better off keeping our powder dry 

 

Nicholas Jackson made sense at the time mind. 

[aussiemag]

Imagine the uproar if we went into the season with Gordon and Wilson as our strikers. 

[SUPERTOON]

Just now, aussiemag said:

Imagine the uproar if we went into the season with Gordon and Wilson as our strikers. 

Rightfully so tbf.

[Kid Icarus]

3 hours ago, Froggy said:

Genuine question, but why is Elanga getting more patience than Wissa? Seems like there's a negative opinion of Wissa but a lot of people jumping to Elanga's defence and even praising him when he does the bare minimum.

 

Wissa has contributed more than Elanga from a stats viewpoint, and also had an injury to deal with. He have a bad attitude?

 

Imo it's because people see players playing in a certain way and jump to reasonable but premature conclusions about why they're playing that way. 

 

Wissa plays like someone who looks like he's not putting the graft in, is slow, and doesn't look fit (while also playing poorly) so the assumption is that he's not putting the graft in, is past it, is out of shape, isn't starting so it's damning of him etc - and all of that is seen as external to him having no pre-season and a serious injury (imo wrongly)

 

Whereas Elanga has been poor in plenty of ways, but lack of effort (that Wissa is perceived as having) isn't one of them. 

[Kanj]

26 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Upon reflection, we were better off keeping our powder dry 

 

Nicholas Jackson made sense at the time mind. 

 

To me it was Jackson + Keep Wilson or DCL on a free once we were getting priced out of Wissa and all the rejections occurred. 

But once the signings happened I was excited / trusting of course and liked the potential / differences of Big Nick + Wissa being a hungry, scrappy all action goal scorer who scores good and ugly goals. 

 

 

Edited March 12 by Kanj

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

4 hours ago, PauloGeordio said:

What do you call them?  

Keepa man

 

 

[Froggy]

43 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Wissa being behind Osula in the starting line-up is damning of him.

 

Osula is alright from what I seen of him.  

[Mike]

Osula's biggest crime is that he's not Isak. There's 100 percent a player in there. We would have run Etikite out of town if we'd gotten him before he went to PSG.

[Ikon]

1 minute ago, Mike said:

Osula's biggest crime is that he's not Isak. There's 100 percent a player in there. We would have run Etikite out of town if we'd gotten him before he went to PSG.

 

Osula's biggest "crime" is that he lacks composure/balance/technical ability. He has some great raw ingredients, for sure.

[Mike]

4 minutes ago, Ikon said:

Osula's biggest "crime" is that he lacks composure/balance/technical ability.

 

Qualities Isak had in abundance. If our strikers weren't trying to fill generational shoes we'd have a lot more patience for them.

[Ikon]

4 minutes ago, Mike said:

 

Qualities Isak had in abundance. If our strikers weren't trying to fill generational shoes we'd have a lot more patience for them.

 

Can't speak for everyone else, but me personally I have patience in players that I can see making it at our club. Players with enough talent and potential. Personally I don't see Osula becoming good enough to make it here. Like the guy, mind.

 

 

Edited March 12 by Ikon