The College Dropout Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 45 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: Probably a bit OTT from me. But even if we get a couple of defenders and another striker in. I’d say we’re basically dead certs to go down if we try and plod on with this midfield until the end of the season. Agreed. A CM is right up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolfcastle Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 4 hours ago, The College Dropout said: Lack of linked CM's is really worrying. What is this man seeing? Aye the knee bone's connected to the thigh bone. If we can't get the central-defender or forwards were after midfield is the next best thing. A good defensive minded one can cover a multitude of sins at the back. To say nothing of the fact that if everybody was fit (Fernandez/Wilson) it would be our weakest part of the field. Think its the worst I've ever seen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Aye the knee bone's connected to the thigh bone. If we can't get the central-defender or forwards were after midfield is the next best thing. A good defensive minded one can cover a multitude of sins at the back. To say nothing of the fact that if everybody was fit (Fernandez/Wilson) it would be our weakest part of the field. Think its the worst I've ever seen. yeah, I just hope that because the CM chatter is the quietest, it means that we are closing in on one or two. All the media and twitter chatter is BS, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, Wolfcastle said: Aye the knee bone's connected to the thigh bone. If we can't get the central-defender or forwards were after midfield is the next best thing. A good defensive minded one can cover a multitude of sins at the back. To say nothing of the fact that if everybody was fit (Fernandez/Wilson) it would be our weakest part of the field. Think its the worst I've ever seen. Despite having prime Wijnaldum & Sissoko available our managers choosing the Anita-Colback pivot is the worst i've ever seen. They didn't have age or injuries as an excuse. They were just bad. Shelvey being an improvement on them both is shocking stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 20, 2022 Share Posted January 20, 2022 17 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Despite having prime Wijnaldum & Sissoko available our managers choosing the Anita-Colback pivot is the worst i've ever seen. They didn't have age or injuries as an excuse. They were just bad. Shelvey being an improvement on them both is shocking stuff. Not sure he was an improvement mind, but yeah that was terrible mis-management. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I like Howe and I think he's the right guy for the job long term but I think he's painting himself into a corner with these older players for big money, imagine if we spend over £100 million and still go down ? The likes of Luke Edwards will have a field day comparing him to Steve Fuckin Bruce who kept us up for two seasons with no money. It's almost as though they expected certain players just to sign and they are now scrambling around looking for plan B, hopefully the next week will see a breakthrough, however things could turn with a big loss the Leeds at the weekend and it will be harder trying to convince players to come to a team with 12 points after 21 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Rafa rumours in the Independent this morning. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, sempuki said: Rafa rumours in the Independent this morning. Bound to happen, wouldn’t put too much stock into it (yet). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, sempuki said: Rafa rumours in the Independent this morning. Easy one tbf, which will intensify , i predict relegation then Rafa back to lead us up. 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWN Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 just to add i dont think he should ever be back , as i keep saying, been there done that. Need to move on . That said he'd do the job in bringing us up mind Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, GWN said: just to add i dont think he should ever be back , as i keep saying, been there done that. Need to move on . That said he'd do the job in bringing us up mind So would Howe, and more easier on the eye. We have to stick with him even if we go down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: So would Howe, and more easier on the eye. We have to stick with him even if we go down. If we go down he should be dispatched imo. Would love Rafa back personally BUT with some conditions. We have to become forward thinking so he would have to work within a structure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMark Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 1 minute ago, MarkyMark said: If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. Agreed - if we go, he goes imho. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
r0cafella Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 It’s more due to rewarding failure which is something we did consistently. If this season plays out with safety resulting in a Low points haul then Howe has no excuse. But that’s for future, I think most of us are behind him, but let’s not mistake that with us owing him anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geogaddi Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) Its a championship squad, not sure what people expect from Howe, if we go down he deserves the chance to bring us back up and he certainly shouldn't be getting sacked if it means Benitez comes back. Edited January 21, 2022 by Geogaddi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 I'd stick with him personally. Obviously it's a results business, but I can see what he's trying to do, I like it, and I can see it clicking and being successful with better players. I think if we go down there's every argument to be made that we're this season's team that looked doomed from the start, regardless of the manager. It probably goes without saying that he absolutely must get the team winning once new signings are in, he doesn't have the time to roll out a project or anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thumbheed Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 12 minutes ago, MarkyMark said: If Howe has took us down after having three quarters of a season, I think he’s cooked. It would mean continuing the same form as the first half of the season - I’d have serious doubts we’d suddenly start winning next season. If Howe was allowed to take us down, I think I'd be massively disappointed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wandy said: If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, Kid Icarus said: I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Are you taking the three best players away from Norwich, Burnley and Watford too then? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I'd stick with him personally. Obviously it's a results business, but I can see what he's trying to do, I like it, and I can see it clicking and being successful with better players. I think if we go down there's every argument to be made that we're this season's team that looked doomed from the start, regardless of the manager. It probably goes without saying that he absolutely must get the team winning once new signings are in, he doesn't have the time to roll out a project or anything. Agree with this, if we go down it probably very much depends how. Glorious defeat and he'll probably stay on (see Rafa). If we roll over without a fight, he's probably done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Wandy said: If we go down then he deserves the sack. Quite frankly this team should not be finishing below Norwich, Burnley & Watford, even in it's current state. We shouldn't, but then he did take over a team 11 games into a season who had no fitness and hadn't been coached whatsoever for about three years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dandy Man Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 If we did go down think I'd prefer him to stay (depending on how badly rest of season goes obvs) but I think he will almost certainly be gone - first press conference he was very clear his remit was to keep team in PL and if he fails at that then doubt he will be afforded any patience - could even go before end of season if situation is looking perilous and owners fancy trying a new manager to bounce us out of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandy Posted January 21, 2022 Share Posted January 21, 2022 9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: I think you're kidding yourself there like, it's not only a Championship squad, but a Championship squad that's now 5 years older. Take ASM, Wilson, and Trippier out of the equation and those clubs have better squads, especially Watford. Its a squad that finished 13th last season under a cretin of a manager. If he could get a tune out of them then Howe should be able to too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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