Eddie Howe

[Vinny Green Balls]

9 minutes ago, TRon said:

 

By all means criticise, but then that criticism also has to be open to criticism. If it's valid it will hold up over the long term at the end of the day.

It’s a simple concept, but there are always a few that create this 1984 like straw forum that ruthlessly squashes their brave  views. That is the irritating part.

[duo]

1 hour ago, PauloGeordio said:

He's after a job 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

1 minute ago, Pilko said:

 

Questioning Howe and some of his selection decisions doesn't necessarily mean wishing him gone. Reading most of the comments I'm pretty certain everyone is saying what they're saying with the context of what Howe has done in the last year or so firmly in mind, even if they didn't explicitly mention it in their posts.

 

I think most in this thread have highlighted similar issues around selection and are hoping he makes a few changes to freshen things up after a difficult few months. It looks and feels like a few of them could do with a rest and given we've got a £62m striker and a fit-again Targett on the bench as well as today being much more suited to Maxi than next week probably will be, I think questions over why he won't sit Wilson, Almiron or Burn down for a period are very valid.

Fair point,  in my useless opinion I feel Eddies a better judge of his players than many Newcastle fans, in any event we need to catch ourselves on where we are, where we were & where we will be in 5 / 10 years, its all a process & I appreciate that, many want / need (me included at my age) instant success, trophies, new stands etc

I hope I live long enough to see us lift a trophy, win the premier league & compete at the highest level in Europe, Im not in control of that but im a lot more confident of being in contention that I was 18 months ago 

[Vinny Green Balls]

6 minutes ago, Pilko said:

 

Questioning Howe and some of his selection decisions doesn't necessarily mean wishing him gone. Reading most of the comments I'm pretty certain everyone is saying what they're saying with the context of what Howe has done in the last year or so firmly in mind, even if they didn't explicitly mention it in their posts.

 

I think most in this thread have highlighted similar issues around selection and are hoping he makes a few changes to freshen things up after a difficult few months. It looks and feels like a few of them could do with a rest and given we've got a £62m striker and a fit-again Targett on the bench as well as today being much more suited to Maxi than next week probably will be, I think questions over why he won't sit Wilson, Almiron or Burn down for a period are very valid.

Can’t really disagree with this. Most of the comments are fine. People questioning his decisions was never really my issue. Basically what TRon said.

[The Prophet]

Most posters have been pretty reasonable in respecting Howe and the job he's done, but asking questions about recent team selections. There has been a bit of hysteria from a minority, but that's normal.

 

 

 

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

Most posters have been pretty reasonable in respecting Howe and the job he's done, but asking questions about recent team selections. There has been a bit of hysteria from a minority, but that's normal.

 

 

 

Very fair 

[Menace]

35 minutes ago, duo said:

He's after a job 

He's always been full of praise for us tbf.

[The Prophet]

Howe does deserve massive credit. Usually we take an absolute cunting at the Etihad. Not only did we limit City today, but we could have earned a result had we taken out chances. It shows that the big picture is decent, but the dearth of goals is no longer a short term problem.

 

I think a few things factor into it: i) we're a team that lacks goal scorers. Today isn't the first time chances have fallen to Longstaff and Joelinton, who are both poor in the box. Generally speaking we don't have many players capable of chipping in with 10 goals a season; ii) confidence in front of goal is low. It seems to have got to the point where the likes of Almiron and Wilson no longer believe they're going to score when they're presented with a decent opportunity; iii) the one that Howe has most control over, player selection. It's difficult to say he's got it wrong, when we aren't privy to the reasoning, but holding back Isak and ASM in certain games seems rather bizarre given the goal scoring form of others.

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by The Prophet

[Whitley mag]

Got no doubt Howe will turn this blip around if you can even call it that. We’ve lost to 3 top clubs and can’t say we’ve really been outplayed by any of them.

 

My only reservation with Howe is his transfer record and preferring expensive young British players, or so called PL ready players. I’ve got no doubt about his coaching ability, but think he’ll have to be prepared to take risks on foreign imports such as Bruno if we’re really going to challenge the top teams. I don’t think the Gordon’s and the likes of the young lad from

Bristol City will get us to the next level and that’s going to be the challenge.

 

We got heavily linked with the likes of Calvert Lewin and Connor Gallagher in the Jan window and for me these just won’t take us to the next level. The owners will want progress every season, I just hope Eddie is brave and is prepared to take a gamble as a lot of these British players are over rated and poor value for money.

[Shearergol]

9 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Got no doubt Howe will turn this blip around if you can even call it that. We’ve lost to 3 top clubs and can’t say we’ve really been outplayed by any of them.

 

My only reservation with Howe is his transfer record and preferring expensive young British players, or so called PL ready players. I’ve got no doubt about his coaching ability, but think he’ll have to be prepared to take risks on foreign imports such as Bruno if we’re really going to challenge the top teams. I don’t think the Gordon’s and the likes of the young lad from

Bristol City will get us to the next level and that’s going to be the challenge.

 

We got heavily linked with the likes of Calvert Lewin and Connor Gallagher in the Jan window and for me these just won’t take us to the next level. The owners will want progress every season, I just hope Eddie is brave and is prepared to take a gamble as a lot of these British players are over rated and poor value for money.

As if Howe will be responsible for our signings.

[TheBrownBottle]

7 minutes ago, Whitley mag said:

Got no doubt Howe will turn this blip around if you can even call it that. We’ve lost to 3 top clubs and can’t say we’ve really been outplayed by any of them.

 

My only reservation with Howe is his transfer record and preferring expensive young British players, or so called PL ready players. I’ve got no doubt about his coaching ability, but think he’ll have to be prepared to take risks on foreign imports such as Bruno if we’re really going to challenge the top teams. I don’t think the Gordon’s and the likes of the young lad from

Bristol City will get us to the next level and that’s going to be the challenge.

 

We got heavily linked with the likes of Calvert Lewin and Connor Gallagher in the Jan window and for me these just won’t take us to the next level. The owners will want progress every season, I just hope Eddie is brave and is prepared to take a gamble as a lot of these British players are over rated and poor value for money.

I agree generally, though plenty of the Engish / British players are; the problem is that European football competitions have a homegrown quota.  That’s why the big clubs spunk daft sums on young English players who then rot on their bench for half a decade before they wash up in the lower reaches of the PL / second division.  If Gordon is Croatian, Polish or Portuguese he’s a £15-20m player - you pay a significant uplift on young local talent.  But you also have to do that - and to be fair, Howe is someone as likely as anyone to sculpt them into the best player they can be. 

[brummie]

I am writing this with care and caution as I know I am an outsider.

 

There isn't a manager out there who is above questioning or discussion, I totally get that. We have similar discussions about our own manager. But from the outside looking in, what Howe has done in a short period of time is absolutely transformational.

 

I think there has been - not on here necessary, but in the media in general - a degree of prematurity in that it's not being in the top four halfway through the season that gets you into the CL, it's what happens half a season later. I wonder if expectations have been tinted by that wider discussion?

 

What I think is most impressive is that, yeah, you have spent some money - although after years of spending nothing under a wanker of an owner - but I don't think what you've achieved in a short time is about spending, it is about excellent coaching.

 

Look at some of the names on your team sheet and look what you've achieved this season - these are (some of them) players who absolutely would not get into the teams of the clubs you are bothering this season, some of them are players who have underwhelmed even by your own recent standards, but what Howe has got out of these is nothing but remarkable.

 

Yeah, he'll make a ton of mistakes still and there will be ups and downs because you are a club and a team going through a transformation, and it's just not that easy to do quickly, regardless of how much cash you have (and even with that, it's not as easy to buy rapid advancement as Man City did 10+ years ago anymore).

 

This is almost exactly the same discourse we have - we have weirdness like winning away almost every time, but then shipping four at home to Leicester, and it's because it's a work in progress, which is exactly what you are.

 

I am not in any way at all saying there is anything wrong in questioning the manager - I'd say the same about our manager, and I am an outsider here so have no right to be telling you anything - but I think if you take a step back and look at the huge advancement in such a short period of time, the manager has definitely earned the right to make his own mistakes.

[Whitley mag]

2 minutes ago, Shearergol said:

As if Howe will be responsible for our signings.

Howe will have input on all our signings.

[Danh1]

16 minutes ago, brummie said:

I am writing this with care and caution as I know I am an outsider.

 

There isn't a manager out there who is above questioning or discussion, I totally get that. We have similar discussions about our own manager. But from the outside looking in, what Howe has done in a short period of time is absolutely transformational.

 

I think there has been - not on here necessary, but in the media in general - a degree of prematurity in that it's not being in the top four halfway through the season that gets you into the CL, it's what happens half a season later. I wonder if expectations have been tinted by that wider discussion?

 

What I think is most impressive is that, yeah, you have spent some money - although after years of spending nothing under a wanker of an owner - but I don't think what you've achieved in a short time is about spending, it is about excellent coaching.

 

Look at some of the names on your team sheet and look what you've achieved this season - these are (some of them) players who absolutely would not get into the teams of the clubs you are bothering this season, some of them are players who have underwhelmed even by your own recent standards, but what Howe has got out of these is nothing but remarkable.

 

Yeah, he'll make a ton of mistakes still and there will be ups and downs because you are a club and a team going through a transformation, and it's just not that easy to do quickly, regardless of how much cash you have (and even with that, it's not as easy to buy rapid advancement as Man City did 10+ years ago anymore).

 

This is almost exactly the same discourse we have - we have weirdness like winning away almost every time, but then shipping four at home to Leicester, and it's because it's a work in progress, which is exactly what you are.

 

I am not in any way at all saying there is anything wrong in questioning the manager - I'd say the same about our manager, and I am an outsider here so have no right to be telling you anything - but I think if you take a step back and look at the huge advancement in such a short period of time, the manager has definitely earned the right to make his own mistakes.

Absolutely nailed it. 

[toon25]

@brummie is a brilliant poster, like.

 

 

[Kanji]

Read this clearly please. 
 

Only complete morons would be disrespectful and unappreciative of Howe, the coaching staff, the players work ethic, the players performances, the owners, their decisions in the main, and the support staff grafting their all to make this club what it is right now — one of the most exciting projects in football. 
 

But let’s just take a step back and look at what’s happened since the World Cup, we’ve been unable to score goals and win games, and we’ve mostly outplayed the opposition but lacked the final bit of quality in front of net. We’ve had unfortunate injuries and suspensions that have magnified our deficiencies. 
 

Nobody is ungrateful to the work the club have done thus far. 
 

The anger seems more at the players’ who’ve been making legitimately poor executions of very basic football principles and have let down themselves and or their teammates at critical times. If they want to be part of this long term, they can not make those mistakes. 
 

Howe has to make critical changes and come up with a different plan to stop the rut. This rut is finishing, and it’s needing fixing or we will drop out of the top 7 faster than people realize. 
 

So again, fucking relax on this ungrateful take a step back, you demand too much, I thought we wanted a team that tries, respect the process long term, FFP is our problem stuff. 

 

We all know the project is a long term one and we are all in love with NUFC, and we’re allowed to be critical when the product on the pitch isn’t up to scratch. When the clear answer to FFP is growing income, and when there isn’t a future new deal announced yet (prob due to the new league rules and the new red tape we have to deal with). It’s not like they aren’t trying at all areas of the club, It’s not like we’re not creating chances, or the players aren’t trying - they fight for 90 mins but we are being let down result wise by very critical mistakes at the worst times possible since the World Cup ended. Amanda and co are working their tails off to fix things, but we as fans have every right to hold all at the club to task at every stage. Why?
 

Because for 14 years Ashley fucked us. Because before that every time something good happened we’d fuck it up. And for 60+ years we ain’t won shit.  It’s our job and right to hold anyone who works for NUFC to the highest standard while being respectful and dignified in that. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 4, 2023 by Kanji

[Guest]

24 games and we've only lost to Liverpool & Man City. The last two clubs to win the title. It's insane what he's achieving.

 

We need to start converting some of the draws against the lesser sides into wins, but since we last played one of those sides, Isak & Maxi have more minutes under their belts, Bruno is back and Gordon is a bit more integrated into the side. We've also got Targett close to a return.

 

I still think 4th is there for the taking but top 7 was probably the goal pre-season and it's in our hands.

 

[duo]

10 hours ago, brummie said:

I am writing this with care and caution as I know I am an outsider.

 

There isn't a manager out there who is above questioning or discussion, I totally get that. We have similar discussions about our own manager. But from the outside looking in, what Howe has done in a short period of time is absolutely transformational.

 

I think there has been - not on here necessary, but in the media in general - a degree of prematurity in that it's not being in the top four halfway through the season that gets you into the CL, it's what happens half a season later. I wonder if expectations have been tinted by that wider discussion?

 

What I think is most impressive is that, yeah, you have spent some money - although after years of spending nothing under a wanker of an owner - but I don't think what you've achieved in a short time is about spending, it is about excellent coaching.

 

Look at some of the names on your team sheet and look what you've achieved this season - these are (some of them) players who absolutely would not get into the teams of the clubs you are bothering this season, some of them are players who have underwhelmed even by your own recent standards, but what Howe has got out of these is nothing but remarkable.

 

Yeah, he'll make a ton of mistakes still and there will be ups and downs because you are a club and a team going through a transformation, and it's just not that easy to do quickly, regardless of how much cash you have (and even with that, it's not as easy to buy rapid advancement as Man City did 10+ years ago anymore).

 

This is almost exactly the same discourse we have - we have weirdness like winning away almost every time, but then shipping four at home to Leicester, and it's because it's a work in progress, which is exactly what you are.

 

I am not in any way at all saying there is anything wrong in questioning the manager - I'd say the same about our manager, and I am an outsider here so have no right to be telling you anything - but I think if you take a step back and look at the huge advancement in such a short period of time, the manager has definitely earned the right to make his own mistakes.

I think 99% of fans on here get that. And I don't think anyone on here were expecting to be challenging for top 4 this season, and that's down to Eddie Howe. He is also limited by the players we have to make changes when things aren't quite working. We have no bench and that isn't Eddie's fault. So he's limited what he has to work with.  However he is human and will make mistakes and not starting Isak is one of them. But it doesn't mean I think of Eddie any less. He gets this club 100% and will get us success given time.

[Gawalls]

4 minutes ago, duo said:

I think 99% of fans on here get that. And I don't think anyone on here were expecting to be challenging for top 4 this season, and that's down to Eddie Howe. He is also limited by the players we have to make changes when things aren't quite working. We have no bench and that isn't Eddie's fault. So he's limited what he has to work with.  However he is human and will make mistakes and not starting Isak is one of them. But it doesn't mean I think of Eddie any less. He gets this club 100% and will get us success given time.

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[BoSelecta]

It's natural to look for reasons when on a bit of a losing streak, regardless of opposition. Could we have done X, Y, or Z; the conversation is focussing around the starting team, in particular Wilson over Isak & ASM being on the bench when we are the worst scoring team in the league since Christmas. You can voice these concerns and criticisms of recent form/decisions while still holding the opinion that Howe is doing an absolutely fantastic job, we are way ahead of schedule and the future looks very bright. As with all online debate there are people who try and paint nuanced situations as a binary argument; it's really not. Howe will clearly be more aware than any of us of the current shortcomings in the team. Isak will start next week and I have a feeling we will dish out a proper mauling to get the season rolling again.

 

[Gawalls]

32 minutes ago, BoSelecta said:

It's natural to look for reasons when on a bit of a losing streak, regardless of opposition. Could we have done X, Y, or Z; the conversation is focussing around the starting team, in particular Wilson over Isak & ASM being on the bench when we are the worst scoring team in the league since Christmas. You can voice these concerns and criticisms of recent form/decisions while still holding the opinion that Howe is doing an absolutely fantastic job, we are way ahead of schedule and the future looks very bright. As with all online debate there are people who try and paint nuanced situations as a binary argument; it's really not. Howe will clearly be more aware than any of us of the current shortcomings in the team. Isak will start next week and I have a feeling we will dish out a proper mauling to get the season rolling again.

 

I get what you’re saying about it not being binary and you’re right but to me there still is one simple statistic - we haven’t scored more than one goal in a league game since Boxing Day, that’s none in 2023 so for me Wilson and miggy even have had their go and have had plenty of time and chances. Time to freshen it up and give someone else a go. 
 

saying that though I genuinely believe he won’t and we will eventually drop out of the top 7 and finish around 8th - I’ll still think That’s a successful season though even if it is a shame.

[The Prophet]

There could of course be a perfectly good reason why Isak isn't starting. We don't have the benefit of seeing him train, analysis from sports scientists, physios etc.

 

It does seem very strange from an outsider looking in, but we can only speculate whether it's the right or the wrong call.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

9 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

There could of course be a perfectly good reason why Isak isn't starting. We don't have the benefit of seeing him train, analysis from sports scientists, physios etc.

 

It does seem very strange from an outsider looking in, but we can only speculate whether it's the right or the wrong call.

I’m sure it’s tactical, not every selection is a simple choice between players. With a full week to prepare I really hope we see Isak integrated.  

[LiquidAK]

It's a tough one really, it feels like the issue with our finishing is throughout the team rather than just a case of plugging a new striker in up top. I absolutely think Isak should start over Wilson now, but I don't know that that solves all our midfielders fluffing their lines when they get into the box. It's weird because as Howe has said himself we're playing well between the boxes, we're creating chances, so it's not a case of the tactics being rotten. I trust Howe to figure it out, but in his position I'd be utterly baffled like  Beyond extra finishing drills in training (which I'm sure we're already doing), what do you do about otherwise capable players falling to pieces in front of goal?

[BGRM]

I just think Isak mustn’t be setting the world alight in training. I have faith that Eddie Howe would include him from the off if he was. However, I believe he has done enough from the subs bench to justify a run in the team. Not sure if Wilson will get over this poor run before the end of the season.