Mole_Toonfan Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I thought William Carvalho was pretty decent in the WC Yeah but you're not Odin thankfully. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 I thought William Carvalho was pretty decent in the WC On the right wing yeah? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Gibbs from WBA mentioned in the DM with the usual caveat that he might be too expensive. That sounds like everyone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted August 2, 2018 Share Posted August 2, 2018 Has it been 24 hours since these new player bids. Its around that time Lee Ryder catches up with the rest of the world and sends out his automatic denial response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 There's always been a flurry of links this summer, whenever the unrest looks like it's threatening to gather pace. Short term measures to keep the most gullible of our support at bay. Exactly this. Look at when #IfRafaGoesWeGo kicked off. Muto and Schar signed within 48 hours of each other. Really? Do you really believe there's a link? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 £5m is equivalent to £500,000 in 2001 which bought you Wayne Quinn. Mahrez cost Leicester less than a million. 4 and a half years ago, aye. Transfer fees were already crazy by then. You fail to see my point. Most players can be bought for cheap at some point in their career. It means nothing. A large transfer fee does not guarantee you success. Some club could have spunked 30 million on William Carvalho last summer, look how shit he turned out to be in the World Cup. Bet he’s not worth half that now. It should be about spending money wisely, if that means a player is worth 60m but fits into a team well then so be it. The only one who can judge that properly is the manager and his scouting team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 "You can't use price as a general guide to the quality of a player. Why, just look at the 1% of exceptions to such a rule." Ok then if you want to take the same year, 2014, We signed Rivière for 6.5m, Mahrez cost about a 10th of that. The same year we also signed Lascelles for 5 million. Far from shit. Transfer fees mean nothing unless you are buying a well established top international player, something we’re not ever going to do while Mike Ashley is here. So shut the fuck up and learn to accept when your opinion is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 £5m is equivalent to £500,000 in 2001 which bought you Wayne Quinn. Mahrez cost Leicester less than a million. 4 and a half years ago, aye. Transfer fees were already crazy by then. You fail to see my point. Most players can be bought for cheap at some point in their career. It means nothing. A large transfer fee does not guarantee you success. Some club could have spunked 30 million on William Carvalho last summer, look how s*** he turned out to be in the World Cup. Bet he’s not worth half that now. It should be about spending money wisely, if that means a player is worth 60m but fits into a team well then so be it. The only one who can judge that properly is the manager and his scouting team. Gareth Bale was sold for 91 million. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are you going on about, man, you absolute mentalist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rompe Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 "You can't use price as a general guide to the quality of a player. Why, just look at the 1% of exceptions to such a rule." Ok then if you want to take the same year, 2014, We signed Rivière for 6.5m, Mahrez cost about a 10th of that. The same year we also signed Lascelles for 5 million. Far from shit. Transfer fees mean nothing unless you are buying a well established top international player, something we’re not ever going to do while Mike Ashley is here. So shut the fuck up and learn to accept when your opinion is wrong. Good players in general cost more than bad players. If a player is good a buying club is willing to pay more money to sign him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Can't even sign someone as mediocre as Rondon. This fucking clown of an owner. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Embarrassing - cheers Mike, you fat wanker! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 "You can't use price as a general guide to the quality of a player. Why, just look at the 1% of exceptions to such a rule." Ok then if you want to take the same year, 2014, We signed Rivière for 6.5m, Mahrez cost about a 10th of that. The same year we also signed Lascelles for 5 million. Far from shit. Transfer fees mean nothing unless you are buying a well established top international player, something we’re not ever going to do while Mike Ashley is here. So shut the fuck up and learn to accept when your opinion is wrong. Why the fuck is the board turning on each other Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odear Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are you going on about, man, you absolute mentalist? Some cunt suggesting that transfer fees weren’t mental in 2014. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 We signed a right back for a team that just finished 3rd in the World Cup in 2014 for about £5mil. That wouldn't happen now at that price it would be tripled Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I really dont care the amount what the player costs, as long as the player is someone Rafa wants. He very well understands that we can't compete with the big boys in the market. Right now it just seems that Ashley and Charnley arent willing to pay anything.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I really dont care the amount what the player costs, as long as the player is someone Rafa wants. He very well understands that we can't compete with the big boys in the market. Right now it just seems that Ashley and Charnley arent willing to pay anything.. Well they are willing to pay something, like for Muto. Just not enough, like for Rondon. So it's basically the same argument. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 What are you going on about, man, you absolute mentalist? Some cunt suggesting that transfer fees weren’t mental in 2014. ...but they absolutely weren't. The mental transfer fees started from 16/17. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/09/01/number-crunching-ins-outs-record-breaking-transfer-window/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Transfer fees have been spiralling out of control since the TV money started infiltrating the game. TV money meant that smaller clubs were no longer dependant on transfers to survive, meaning they could resist advances for longer, forcing the bigger clubs to go that bit further in order to get the headline signings. In 1979 the most a British club had paid was £1.2m, for Trevor Francis. 2 years later that jumped to a massive £1.5m. By 1992 that had doubled to £3m, with the introduction of Skysports. it was 3 years before it was doubled again, Cole £7m, then 6 months before it doubled again, Shearer £15m. This growth has since slowed down, but the overriding effect of each new record is the impact on the values of all the other average players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 "You can't use price as a general guide to the quality of a player. Why, just look at the 1% of exceptions to such a rule." Ok then if you want to take the same year, 2014, We signed Rivière for 6.5m, Mahrez cost about a 10th of that. The same year we also signed Lascelles for 5 million. Far from shit. Transfer fees mean nothing unless you are buying a well established top international player, something we’re not ever going to do while Mike Ashley is here. So shut the fuck up and learn to accept when your opinion is wrong. Why the fuck is the board turning on each other Seems it's more one bloke behaving like a bit of a pillock rather than the whole board turning on each other. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I really dont care the amount what the player costs, as long as the player is someone Rafa wants. He very well understands that we can't compete with the big boys in the market. Right now it just seems that Ashley and Charnley arent willing to pay anything.. Well they are willing to pay something, like for Muto. Just not enough, like for Rondon. So it's basically the same argument. It's obviously the age thing which is a big factor with our transfer policy. Muto is 26 whereas Rondon is pushing 29. Riviere was under 25 so there was no problem punting £6m on him despite him turning out to be a waste of money. Rafa's judgement counts for very little in reality, we work off a fixed algorithm and haven't shifted from that since Allardyce was sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AY Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 I really dont care the amount what the player costs, as long as the player is someone Rafa wants. He very well understands that we can't compete with the big boys in the market. Right now it just seems that Ashley and Charnley arent willing to pay anything.. Well they are willing to pay something, like for Muto. Just not enough, like for Rondon. So it's basically the same argument. Well with anything I mean reasonable fees in the market. Rondon would give us so much more that 16 million would be good investment. Can we sell him for profit? naah. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddy Chibas Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 Embarrassing - cheers Mike, you fat wanker! Destroying somebody else's work, again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted August 3, 2018 Share Posted August 3, 2018 There isn't a direct link between value and quality though. Value is determined by many contributing factors, the main one being how productive a player is, in their current system. No way Mitro is worth £27m if he spends the 2nd half of last season struggling to adapt to Rafa's game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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