TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 12 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said: These managers are in a higher category than Howe apparently Just my opinion. Howe is an average manager in the league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt1892 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I am not going to put them in order but Rob Edwards always gets underrated. He took Forest Green Rovers to League One for the first time in their history playing a great style of attacking football with wingbacks and two up top, he then got sacked by Watford after a few games before joining their rivals and gaining promotion which nobody expected, he now has a chance of keeping them in the Premier League despite spending hardly any money adding to what was an already average Championship squad. What I like is his sides keep going to the final whistle, despite the obvious quality in players on the pitch. It would be interesting to see how many times they have picked up points late. If he hadn’t represented Wales at International level I would have him down as a future England manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 10 minutes ago, TRC said: Just my opinion. Howe is an average manager in the league. No I know it is, and my post was just my opinion on yours'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 11 minutes ago, TRC said: Just my opinion. Howe is an average manager in the league. Genuinely interested, what has Howe done that O'Neil has that ranks him higher? Howe got Bournemouth from League 2 to keeping them in the league for 5 years, and then got a team from Relegation certainties to Champions League in a season and a half. O'Neil has two mid-tables finishes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joelinton7 Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 1 Eddie 2 Edwards 3 Emery 4 Pep 5 De Zerbi 6 Silva 7 O’Neil 8 Ange 9 Iraola 10 Moyes 11 Frank 12 Dyche 13 Nuno 14 Klopp 15 ten Hag 16 Arteta 17 Glasner 18 Pochettino 19 Wilder 20 Kompany Edited March 18 by Joelinton7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Now we're talking Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Just now, 54 said: Genuinely interested, what has Howe done that O'Neil has that ranks him higher? Howe got Bournemouth from League 2 to keeping them in the league for 5 years, and then got a team from Relegation certainties to Champions League in a season and a half. O'Neil has two mid-tables finishes. I'm factoring in PL level managers, I'm not taking into account lower leagues. I dont watch lower leagues and Howe got Bournemouth promoted 13 years ago, so I can't judge him on that. Game has moved on and I'm judging on current ability only. I do feel people are underating Marco Silva though, very good tactically and gives the big teams a tough game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upthemags Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Genuinely curious for those ranking Ange beneath Howe -- what would Ange need to be doing differently/achieving in order to surpass EH? One could make the case Ange is a top 3 manager with Spurs likely to get CL football after losing 30+ goal contributions in Kane and their underwhelming 22/23 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 People are massively underrating Pochettino. The job at Chelsea is an absolute nightmare and there are some genuine signs that he’s offering stability. If he gets sacked then they’re totally fucked Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 I think it's impossible to make any fair judgements on Ange, O'Neil, Iraola, Edwards, Glasner and Kompany. Arguably even Ten Hag. All of them are either new to the league or quite new to management; in some cases both. Certainly absolutely zero evidence to suggest any of them are more talented than Howe. I feel like you basically have to have zero fundamental weaknesses to manage at this level and the talent across the board is generally very high. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 21 minutes ago, Upthemags said: Genuinely curious for those ranking Ange beneath Howe -- what would Ange need to be doing differently/achieving in order to surpass EH? One could make the case Ange is a top 3 manager with Spurs likely to get CL football after losing 30+ goal contributions in Kane and their underwhelming 22/23 Spurs spent a ton in the summer and are 5th. Spurs are exactly where they should be. Maybe 1 place lower than they should be. They have no European football. They were awful last season and got 60 points. Genuinely toxic environment. I expected them to get 66-67 points this season at a minimum. I like his style of play mind and I ranked them the same. If Spurs were in the running for the title I would've given him an A. I have a feeling his ceiling will be higher than Howe's. His style relies on ballers being brave on the ball. The better skilled the player, the better and more effective the football. Too early to have a firm conclusion on that. And I don't know what he's like with the players, motivation, picking favourites, making coaching and tactical adjustments etc. 17 minutes ago, gbandit said: People are massively underrating Pochettino. The job at Chelsea is an absolute nightmare and there are some genuine signs that he’s offering stability. If he gets sacked then they’re totally fucked TBH he's done a horrendous job there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Aye I'm not sure what Bandit sees with Poch. Chelsea have been average at best lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Show some faith in Bandit, lads Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 30 minutes ago, Froggy said: Aye I'm not sure what Bandit sees with Poch. Chelsea have been average at best lately. A cup final and cup semi final possible 2nd final is hardly average. Can’t judge his league work until end of season but i think he’s doing well after having so many players to manage from day one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 23 minutes ago, LFEE said: A cup final and cup semi final possible 2nd final is hardly average. Can’t judge his league work until end of season but i think he’s doing well after having so many players to manage from day one. League Cup: AFC Wimbledon (H) Brighton (H) Blackburn (H) Newcastle (H) Middlesbrough 2 legs Liverpool - LOST. A weak Newcastle. And the weakest Liverpool in some time personnel wise. Similar story in the FA Cup. Beat Villa at H I think. They've had easy run-ins. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Froggy Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 48 minutes ago, LFEE said: A cup final and cup semi final possible 2nd final is hardly average. Can’t judge his league work until end of season but i think he’s doing well after having so many players to manage from day one. That's fair enough, but Ten Hag has had ridiculous injuries all season, could still finish top four and there's a chance of silverware as well. So why is Poch four above him? It's the inconsistency that grills me. I do think Poch is overrated mind. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 15 minutes ago, Froggy said: That's fair enough, but Ten Hag has had ridiculous injuries all season, could still finish top four and there's a chance of silverware as well. So why is Poch four above him? It's the inconsistency that grills me. I do think Poch is overrated mind. I personally don’t have Poch above him. Think ETH has done well also with the various things he’s had to deal with. Was actually arguing his case Saturday in pub in Rochdale en route to our game against some MUFC fans that wanted him gone. If comparing the two I would say ETH has had more say in transfers I feel which helps. That and he’s been there a year longer than Poch at Chelsea. Would definitely give both of them another full season to fully judge them if they were my managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, TRC said: The elite Pep Klopp Top Level Managers Arteta Emery Might be really good and better than the rest Ange De Zerbi Solid Managers Silva Oniel Iraola Frank Average PL Managers with highs and lows Moyes Howe Nuno Ten Hag Poch Dyche Tough situation so hard to judge Kompany Glasner Edwards Absolute shit Wilder One of the reasons I want Howe out, is although he is good, the rest of the field are good too he doesnt stand out and the top 6 managers in this league are a level above him. Howay. Where would you have ranked Howe and Klopp last season? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 1 minute ago, dcmk said: Howay. Where would you have ranked Howe and Klopp last season? Klopp is always going to be top 2. Howe has been exposed this season as a top manager for being unable to put out a plan b. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dcmk Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) 9 minutes ago, TRC said: Klopp is always going to be top 2. Howe has been exposed this season as a top manager for being unable to put out a plan b. Klopp, a top 2 manager, literally says he has no plan B. So how is that fair to use it against EH? Last season fans were on Klopp's back with the exact criticism that EH is getting. Playing favourites, not addressing weak points in the squad last season. Too loyal towards underperforming players etc. It's nonsense. Incidentally the 2 years of good results doesn't count for EH, but the last 4 months does? Ok. Edited March 18 by dcmk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 5 hours ago, TRC said: The elite Pep Klopp Top Level Managers Arteta Emery Might be really good and better than the rest Ange De Zerbi Solid Managers Silva Oniel Iraola Frank Average PL Managers with highs and lows Moyes Howe Nuno Ten Hag Poch Dyche Tough situation so hard to judge Kompany Glasner Edwards Absolute shit Wilder One of the reasons I want Howe out, is although he is good, the rest of the field are good too he doesnt stand out and the top 6 managers in this league are a level above him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRC Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 58 minutes ago, dcmk said: Klopp, a top 2 manager, literally says he has no plan B. So how is that fair to use it against EH? Last season fans were on Klopp's back with the exact criticism that EH is getting. Playing favourites, not addressing weak points in the squad last season. Too loyal towards underperforming players etc. It's nonsense. Incidentally the 2 years of good results doesn't count for EH, but the last 4 months does? Ok. I've said he's an average premier league manager which is what he is. That is more due to the quality of the managers in the league. The list is subjective, outside of the top 6 managers that I have as better than him there isn't much between the rest. Apart from Wilder who is miles off. I don't think Howe is a top 6 manager in the league and that's where I think we should be aiming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 (edited) Top 4 finish cl qualification 1 cup final 1 (2?) quarter final from 19th to 11th Manages an average squad Yep. Bang average is Eddie. Edited March 18 by RS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 Won't put Ange above Howe until he manages Europe, cups and the PL better in his second season than Howe did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted March 18 Share Posted March 18 16 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Won't put Ange above Howe until he manages Europe, cups and the PL better in his second season than Howe did. His football is better suited. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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