The Prophet Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) There were some noises that he's our number one target and we view him as future captain material. If so that's not an unreasonable price. Especially when you consider what the likes of Dias, Laporte, Van Dijk, Maguire, etc went for. If you want top bracket you have to pay up. Edited January 14, 2022 by The Prophet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: Not at all when you consider we've just spent £25m on a 30 year old with probably no resale value and who will be a bit part player at best if we stay up, whereas Botman could be part of the spine of our team for a decade. Exactly what I was thinking. Granted the urgency for the Wood deal was more pressing as we were doomed without a striker, but with this deal, we would probably get our money back at least, assuming he's as good as our scouts seem to think he is. You have to back your judgement at the end of the day. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Facundo Ferreyra Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 This is all assuming that story's not a load of bollocks, of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joey47 said: Just had a look and Diego Carlos, Nico Schlotterbeck, sven botman all play as left CBs. Badiashile hasn't acually played too many games recently but looks like he can play on either side. Gleison Bremer plays in the middle of a back 3 Carlos can play both. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoreboard82 Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 34 minutes ago, HTT II said: Hopefully while I’m sat tucking into my dinner, dinner, dinner…. Sign Aarjen Robben then we can have Botman and Robben. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
buzza Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Taking into context the pricing above quoted for classy defenders, then i think 40 million plus is probably right if this lad is up to the hype... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Got a feeling the club want to see a result at the weekend before making any big moves on players. Just works better for everyone if that threat subsides a bit. We're not so desperate, players are more willing. Otherwise it's looking for players who'll stay in the championship. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantail Breeze Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 In a world where Chris Wood is worth £25m I don’t see why we should shy away from paying £45m for a young and talented player in a position we desperately need. Even if it means we can only get another CB on loan, I would be happy with Botman and Fernandez/Schar until the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Dokko said: Got a feeling the club want to see a result at the weekend before making any big moves on players. Just works better for everyone if that threat subsides a bit. We're not so desperate, players are more willing. Otherwise it's looking for players who'll stay in the championship. Aye - said it before but tomorrow and Leeds are absolutely huge not just in terms of where we sit at the end of the season, but in who we might be able to attract at the end of the window. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Pilgrim Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) Sometimes you’ve got to wax 50m on a shit defender. Sometimes you’ve got to do it three times. This is the game of kickball. Look at the absolute shite that City got through before landing on Diaz and Laporte. £40m or so for Mangala when that was baller money. Arsenal: Mari Mustafi David Luiz lol Man United: Bailly Lindelof Maguire Everton: Mina Keane I could go on and on. All expensive, all shit or at best not good enough. Edited January 14, 2022 by Billy Pilgrim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffJ Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 If we see Botman as the long term leader at the back much like Kompany was for Man City then I can see us paying the asking price now. Can’t blame Lille, they know he’s our No1 target, we need quality, we have the money and as we get closer to the deadline, get increasingly desperate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) If Lille aren't going to change their mind or move the goal posts again then I think we should take the risk and make that offer and sign him. value seems fair - he's got loads of potential, he's commanding, he's good on the ball, he's good in the air, and they see him as our future captain. Edited January 14, 2022 by Kanji Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 If we see Botman being here for the best part of a decade the price, if true, isn't that ridiculous. Feel we are being very calculated with FFP though those extra 10m add up and potentially mean we can't bring in an extra player or two or hamstring movement in the summer. Not convinced he gets any cheaper in the summer (especially if his form is consistent) and there will be more competition for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, toontownman said: If we see Botman being here for the best part of a decade the price, if true, isn't that ridiculous. Feel we are being very calculated with FFP though those extra 10m add up and potentially mean we can't bring in an extra player or two or hamstring movement in the summer. Not convinced he gets any cheaper in the summer (especially if his form is consistent) and there will be more competition for him. Don't clubs end up just getting fined for breaching FFP in the end. It's what happened to everyone else. Man City "The investigation by Uefa ultimately culminated in an £8.8million fine and a two-year European ban being overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), while the Premier League's inquiry continued privately until recently." Edited January 14, 2022 by relámpago blanco Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 25 minutes ago, toontownman said: If we see Botman being here for the best part of a decade the price, if true, isn't that ridiculous. Feel we are being very calculated with FFP though those extra 10m add up and potentially mean we can't bring in an extra player or two or hamstring movement in the summer. Not convinced he gets any cheaper in the summer (especially if his form is consistent) and there will be more competition for him. We're a long way off being hamstrung by FFP given that transfer fees are amortised over the length of the contract. If we sign a player for 50m on a five year contract that's only £10m towards this season's FFP calculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: We're a long way off being hamstrung by FFP given that transfer fees are amortised over the length of the contract. If we sign a player for 50m on a five year contract that's only £10m towards this season's FFP calculation. And I'd like to think each new sponsorship deal will be 1 year so on each league improvement we can boost the size of the next deal. Edited January 14, 2022 by madras Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I highly doubt FFP has any impact on what our owners are thinking right now - given its a lookback at a few years and they are yet to announce any of the commercial deals that could literally offset every single pound we spend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 10 minutes ago, Jackie Broon said: We're a long way off being hamstrung by FFP given that transfer fees are amortised over the length of the contract. If we sign a player for 50m on a five year contract that's only £10m towards this season's FFP calculation. In which case I think signing precocious young talent like Batman and Ekitike should be a priority even if we have to pay slightly more than we'd like. That doesn't stop us signing the ones we need for immediate survival, they go hand in hand. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 I feel like the new owner wants to get the reputation of being able to spending money wisely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 Just now, TRon said: In which case I think signing precocious young talent like Batman and Ekitike should be a priority even if we have to pay slightly more than we'd like. That doesn't stop us signing the ones we need for immediate survival, they go hand in hand. What if it's not slightly more but 50% more or more than that ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 1 minute ago, madras said: What if it's not slightly more but 50% more or more than that ? Depends how good we think they are I guess. It would be a good indicator which other clubs are in for them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: Don't clubs end up just getting fined for breaching FFP in the end. It's what happened to everyone else. Man City "The investigation by Uefa ultimately culminated in an £8.8million fine and a two-year European ban being overturned by the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS), while the Premier League's inquiry continued privately until recently." Not when you play friendlies in Saudi at £50m a pop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 5 minutes ago, hoppaz said: Not when you play friendlies in Saudi at £50m a pop. 250 quid a ticket which is covered as part of a new government incentive for citizens of Saudi Arabia. NUFC get all gate receipts Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted January 14, 2022 Share Posted January 14, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, relámpago blanco said: 250 quid a ticket which is covered as part of a new government incentive for citizens of Saudi Arabia. NUFC get all gate receipts El Classico is going to be played in the Middle-East too. Edited January 14, 2022 by hoppaz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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