STM Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I quite relaxed, I like the squad we have, I love the manager we have and have the utmost confidence in the people running the club. Even in the scenario where we sign noone else, I'd be convinced it was because we will spend heavy again in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegans Export Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 13 minutes ago, Joey47 said: Right now we are not ready to challenge top 4, not just from a squad point of view but from a club infrastructure point of view. If we're lucky we might get 2 good seasons out of Zapata, by that point we're going to want to be challenging for top 4. Zapata in 2 years time won't be able to help us challenge for top 4 so will be surplus to requirements and will need to be replaced. But it might be that the forwards we really want (the Nunez, Osimhen types) we can't get until we start consistently pushing top 6 or so. If someone like Zapata (or Trippier...) can help us do that, then if they need to be replaced after a couple of seasons then great, we can replace them with a better calibre of player because we're a more attractive option. If you have someone like Zapata - and I'm just pulling numbers out of my arse here - £20m, three year contract on £100k. By the time he's given you a couple of seasons he's cost you about £10m in wages and he's worth about £6.5m on the books. Sell him for any more than that and you're making a profit in terms of FFP. At that stage we've got more money (increased sponsorship) and are hopefully a more attractive option for whichever striker we really want. Obviously the ideal situation is you get a load of Bruno's who can come in, improve the squad straight away and still be part of that hypothetical top-four squad, but if we can't get those, then there is a justification for moving on to stepping stone players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, KaKa said: No improvement on what we've got ... but has scored 16 Premier League goals in the past two seasons. We don't have a single person outside of Wilson that has managed that for us. People really rate Fraser & Miggy for no reason. 24 G/A for Harrison over the last 2 years. Almiron has 12 in 3.5 years. Harrison did that in his first 8 months in the PL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, The College Dropout said: People really rate Fraser & Miggy for no reason. 24 G/A for Harrison over the last 2 years. Almiron has 12 in 3.5 years. Harrison did that in his first 8 months in the PL. Man actually said 'no improvement' as in zero ... none. I couldn't believe it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Miggy won't score 16 PL goals in his career. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, STM said: I'd be convinced it was because we will spend heavy again in January. Not being funny but if you were them what would be the benefit of that? If anything the prices mainly go up in January and even more so directly after a World Cup. Teams are also far more reluctant to sell and replace in January. Would make absolutely zero sense to keep our money for January. Edited July 15, 2022 by gdm Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, gdm said: Not being funny but if you were then what would the benefit of that? If anything the prices mainly go up in January and even more so directly after a World Cup. Teams are also far more reluctant to sell and replace in January. Would make absolutely zero sense to keep our money for January. I meant that any money would available. Also, we got Trippier and Bruno in January, so it's not impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) Owners even have said that they usually wouldn’t like to do business in January. But because of the extreme situation they had to. Personally I see no point in waiting. Get our business done now. And only do something in January if very very necessary because of injuries or whatever. For example, getting someone like Paqueta in now can only help us ending in a better position. For FFP it won’t make a difference now. Also buying one now means one less player next window or the one after that. This deal could get done, grab the chance please. Better sponsorship even, if we finish high. I would guess even if marginally maybe. It’s like me paying my bills later…it ain’t gonna get cheaper if I wait! Edited July 15, 2022 by Ikon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 12 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: People really rate Fraser & Miggy for no reason. 24 G/A for Harrison over the last 2 years. Almiron has 12 in 3.5 years. Harrison did that in his first 8 months in the PL. Would it be a tad fairer to Miggy and Frazer to say, Harrison played in a very attacking side, whereas Miggy and Frazer played in mainly defensive/very defensive sides ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 6 minutes ago, Ikon said: Owners even have said that they usually wouldn’t like to do business in January. But El because of the extreme situation they had to. Personally I see no point in waiting. Get our business done now. And only do something in January if very very necessary because of injuries or whatever. For example, getting someone like Paqueta in now can only help us ending in a better position. For FFP it won’t make a difference now. Also buying one now means one less player next window or the one after that. This deal could get done, grab the chance please. Better sponsorship even, if we finish high. I would guess even if marginally maybe. It’s like me paying my bills later…it ain’t gonna get cheaper if I wait! Agree 100% Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonBez comesock Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: Would it be a tad fairer to Miggy and Frazer to say, Harrison played in a very attacking side, whereas Miggy and Frazer played in mainly defensive/very defensive sides ? Harrison played in a side that nearly got relegated last season Harrison scored more than miggy , maxi and Murphy combined in the last two premier league seasons 16 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 7 minutes ago, Ikon said: Owners even have said that they usually wouldn’t like to do business in January. But El because of the extreme situation they had to. Personally I see no point in waiting. Get our business done now. And only do something in January if very very necessary because of injuries or whatever. For example, getting someone like Paqueta in now can only help us ending in a better position. For FFP it won’t make a difference now. Also buying one now means one less player next window or the one after that. This deal could get done, grab the chance please. Better sponsorship even, if we finish high. I would guess even if marginally maybe. It’s like me paying my bills later…it ain’t gonna get cheaper if I wait! I think he's just waiting for the chance to link up with his BB, and unless somebody like Arsenal, up the stakes we'll be quite relaxed about that. In the meantime we play hardball over our other targets, setting the required precedent. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Bimpy474 said: Would it be a tad fairer to Miggy and Frazer to say, Harrison played in a very attacking side, whereas Miggy and Frazer played in mainly defensive/very defensive sides ? 8 goals in 3.5 years. Powder puff finisher. Miguel Almiron is not a PL level winger/forward/attacking midfielder imo. He's not good at anything attacking. Edited July 15, 2022 by The College Dropout Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bimpy474 Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 11 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 8 goals in 3.5 years. Powder puff finisher. Miguel Almiron is not a PL level winger/forward/attacking midfielder imo. He's not good at anything attacking. I don't overly disagree but when you put stats out there, it's would be fairer would it not ? To show the exact circumstances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Almiron took a while [no longer than average] to settle into a new country. He strted to blossom then things went to shit once Bruce arrived. Poor kid's probably been suicidal for the two years before Howe arrived. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 (edited) 15 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 8 goals in 3.5 years. Powder puff finisher. Miguel Almiron is not a PL level winger/forward/attacking midfielder imo. He's not good at anything attacking. To be a bit fair to Miggy, he has always seemed a lot more comfortable either on the left or just off the striker, which are the positions he had mainly played before joining us. He always seems hesitant in all the other positions he has mostly been used in, which is of course a huge limitation on his part, but he could have probably been used better. Under Howe he seems to be figuring out that right hand side better and is at least playing in just that position consistently now. Edited July 15, 2022 by KaKa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Happinesstan said: Almiron took a while [no longer than average] to settle into a new country. He strted to blossom then things went to shit once Bruce arrived. Poor kid's probably been suicidal for the two years before Howe arrived. Looks miserable like. Oh, hang on… Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 Just now, KaKa said: To be a bit fair to Miggy, he has always seemed a lot more comfortable either on the left or just off the striker, which are the positions he had mainly played before joining us. He always seems hesitant in all the other positions he has mostly been used in, which is of course a huge limitation on his part, but he could have probably been used better. Like everybody else in our attack [including Maxi] he suffered from the lack of any tactic, or training, that involved attacking. We saw how he linked up with Bruno towards the latter part of the season, and I think he'll thrive when called upon. Like I keep saying, he'll surprise a few next season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happinesstan Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Coffee_Johnny said: Looks miserable like. Oh, hang on… You saw the pressure release when he scored against Palace, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 I'd be very surprised if Leeds let Harrison go too after losing their two best players, particularly for £20m. They're fecked if he leaves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 1 minute ago, Happinesstan said: You saw the pressure release when he scored against Palace, right? Too busy wanking to notice ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakzz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 3 hours ago, gdm said: Be a shame if he goes to Leeds. They are doing great business imo should we not be in here? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gdm Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 2 minutes ago, snakzz said: should we not be in here? I’d like us to be but it’s not up to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 41 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: 8 goals in 3.5 years. Powder puff finisher. Miguel Almiron is not a PL level winger/forward/attacking midfielder imo. He's not good at anything attacking. Even if you disregard the goals, he doesn't even wing in any decent crosses. He produces no end product whatsoever. I don't care if he has been mis-managed, what that tells you is, he just can't produce quality when it's required. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakzz Posted July 15, 2022 Share Posted July 15, 2022 30 minutes ago, gdm said: I’d like us to be but it’s not up to me Seems like an good prospect for the future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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