Chris Wood (now playing for Nottingham Forest)

[madras]

8 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

If he does that he’s getting nowhere near the ball (can debate if he would hav anyway) and SA has forced him into a position via a foul. You actually do see these fouls a lot in a game where a player gets a toe to a ball before a challenge. 

Just keep an eye on the right leg, he drags it in to initiate contact, it was just  poorly done. 

[MrRaspberryJam]

Can't believe this is an actual discission. Blatant penalty and Wood did zero wrong. 

[number37]

If Wood goes down in the box and there's no ref to give it, does it mean a foul? 

[Tsunami]

I didn’t have a great view of it at the game, read some things and expected to see some kind of questionable decision. Nowt of the sort, great centre forward play, keeper would have made contact anyway, Wood just made sure. The contact was heavier than I was expecting to see.

[Conjo]

For all his limitations, we'd be 4 points shorter without his 2 goals. If we go on a poor run for the rest of the season those 2 goals could prove to be worth the £25m we paid for him alone. I don't think we'd be better off if we played Gayle (if he had managed to stay fit for the same number of minutes Wood has played, which I doubt) instead.

[54]

Real discussion point time, would you be for or against a rule being introduced to football of "whoever wins it, takes it"? Would change the game in a way.

 

Also, glad we strengthened Burnley. 

 

 

Edited April 10, 2022 by 54

[Fantail Breeze]

1 minute ago, 54 said:

Real discussion point time, would you be for or against a rule being introduced to football of "whoever wins it, takes it"? Would change the game in a way.

 

 

I usually hate that because it seemed (based on no evidence whatsoever) that players were more susceptible to missing. 

[madras]

28 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I agree he made sure of it, but I don’t see anything wrong in that. If he doesn’t he won’t get the decision and for me that’s a blatant foul. Sa is never getting there. 

Then you're getting into "there's contact so he has every right to down" territory. Was there enough contact to bring him down  ? Was there hell was there enoughbto impede him enough for it to be a foul ? Possibly. 

 

 

Was it a pen ? They are given every time regardless of the rights or wrongs.

[Chris_R]

2 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I think there was easily enough to bring him down yeah, but even if not, say I’m sprinting through on goal, a defender comes flying out at me, no where near the ball, I have to jump to avoid getting clattered. In that process the ball gets away from me, and the chance goes. Is that not a foul? To me it is. 

 

It should be, but they're never given. Hence why Wood was absolutely right to go down.

[Chris_R]

And yes if it was the other way I'd be saying the same. There was contact, it's a penalty. If this was given against us, I'd be raging at Dubravka or whoever was in goal for being so stupid but I'd assign very minimal blame to the striker, if any at all. I'd be annoyed, yes, but that's different. I'm annoyed every time we concede a goal.

[madras]

And that's all I was saying, he bought the penalty and for all they are always given it wasn't a stonewaller........and we've had some stonewallers this season that weren't given

[TRon]

45 minutes ago, 54 said:

Real discussion point time, would you be for or against a rule being introduced to football of "whoever wins it, takes it"? Would change the game in a way.

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting point, would quite like that tbh.

[Guest neesy111]

Just now, TRon said:

 

 

Interesting point, would quite like that tbh.

 

Easily copped out by faking a injury.

[TRon]

1 minute ago, neesy111 said:

 

Easily copped out by faking a injury.

 

 

Realistically you are probably right unfortunately.

[macphisto]

53 minutes ago, 54 said:

Real discussion point time, would you be for or against a rule being introduced to football of "whoever wins it, takes it"? Would change the game in a way.

 

Also, glad we strengthened Burnley. 

 

 

 

And the player who committed the foul went in goal??? 

[Chris_R]

7 minutes ago, neesy111 said:

 

Easily copped out by faking a injury.

 

If you're not subbed off, we wait

If you are subbed off, the replacement takes it

If all the subs have been used and you are not fit to continue, the captain takes it and you are barred from rejoining play if you make a miraculous recovery after

[Thiago]

1 hour ago, Pata said:

 

You want them to allow an offside goal stand because VAR fucked up at Stamford Bridge? Horrible take and as you said, crazy.

Such an odd reply from you. I don't know how you've misunderstood this so catastrophically. 

 

I have no issue with them flagging the offside goal. Where I take issue is with how inconsistently they apply 'clear and obvious'. It's debatable whether Bruno's studs being offside is 'clear and obvious' as evidenced by the linesman not flagging and no one in the ground even suggesting it. But if we accept it as meeting the threshold, to then sit on your hands when Trevor Chalobah is trying to undress Murphy in the penalty box makes the whole system a farce. 

 

That was my point - that we've added all this technology just to hope that 'it evens itself out across the season'. 

 

 

[Pata]

1 minute ago, Thiago said:

Such an odd reply from you. I don't know how you've misunderstood this so catastrophically. 

 

I have no issue with them flagging the offside goal. Where I take issue is with how inconsistently they apply 'clear and obvious'. It's debatable whether Bruno's studs being offside is 'clear and obvious' as evidenced by the linesman not flagging and no one in the ground even suggesting it. But if we accept it as meeting the threshold, to then sit on your hands when Trevor Chalobah is trying to undress Murphy in the penalty box makes the whole system a farce. 

 

That was my point - that we've added all this technology just to hope that 'it evens itself out across the season'. 

 

 

 

You can't apply the 'clear and obvious' to offsides, thus you can't compare objective offsides to subjective shouts for a penalty. Chalobah on Murphy was 100% a pen and VAR referee failed.

 

Linesman not flagging Wood's goal just highlights how much VAR is needed for offsides, impossible job for human eyes.

[Thiago]

3 minutes ago, Pata said:

 

You can't apply the 'clear and obvious' to offsides, thus you can't compare objective offsides to subjective shouts for a penalty. Chalobah on Murphy was 100% a pen and VAR referee failed.

 

Linesman not flagging Wood's goal just highlights how much VAR is needed for offsides, impossible job for human eyes.

I can critique the system as used because if it's not going to catch everything then don't prescribe it as doing so. 

 

It was oversold as something it couldn't be and all it leads to is an imbalance of outcomes. Before VAR we'd have not got that penalty but got the goal. Now it's overcorrected and made things worse IMO.

[Pata]

2 minutes ago, Thiago said:

I can critique the system as used because if it's not going to catch everything then don't prescribe it as doing so. 

 

It was oversold as something it couldn't be and all it leads to is an imbalance of outcomes. Before VAR we'd have not got that penalty but got the goal. Now it's overcorrected and made things worse IMO.

 

You do realise it's still used by humans? I don't see much wrong with VAR as a system but humans making the decisions are still poor. It's better implemented elsewhere, hopefully PL can fix it too. And VAR didn't give the Wood penalty, just checked it for possible offside and whether there really was a foul.

[Pata]

Just now, ManDoon said:

The problem is it’s reducing things to millimeter judgements based on frame rates. Im fine with it for penalties, it’s absolutely shit for offside 

 

 I'm the opposite, IMO it's working well enough for offsides but it's often a mess for penalties without any consistency.

[Thiago]

1 minute ago, Pata said:

 

You do realise it's still used by humans? I don't see much wrong with VAR as a system but humans making the decisions are still poor. It's better implemented elsewhere, hopefully PL can fix it too. And VAR didn't give the Wood penalty, just checked it for possible offside and whether there really was a foul.

Why are you being so patronising? 

 

That's the crux of my argument, human input = human error so it's intent to improve things won't really do that. We could go down huge rabbit holes about how do you accurately confirm point of contact from the player passing the ball etc. We keep trying to modernise processes that in many instances can't be. I wasn't referencing Wood's penalty, we'd have got that because the referee gave it of his own accord, I'm talking about the Murphy one that the on field refs didn't give. 

 

I think it's best if we just agree to disagree.

[Pata]

1 minute ago, Thiago said:

Why are you being so patronising? 

 

That's the crux of my argument, human input = human error so it's intent to improve things won't really do that. We could go down huge rabbit holes about how do you accurately confirm point of contact from the player passing the ball etc. We keep trying to modernise processes that in many instances can't be. I wasn't referencing Wood's penalty, we'd have got that because the referee gave it of his own accord, I'm talking about the Murphy one that the on field refs didn't give. 

 

I think it's best if we just agree to disagree.

 

Apologies, don't mean to be patronising. And yeah, we'll have to agree to disagree.

[The Prophet]

Great interview with NBC. He knows exactly why he was brought here and that bigger and better players will be brought in.

[Conjo]

17 hours ago, ManDoon said:

I’m always a “best technique player on the pitch” takes it. Personally 

 

Generally agree, but pelanties are a skill that can be mastered even if you don't have the best technique. Post-Shearer there's not a player in any of our teams I'd want to take penalties ahead of Shola. He was absolutely clinical, got them right past the root of the post into the side netting with power consistently. Keepers didn't have a chance even if they guessed the right corner. Don't think he missed a penalty for us?