Bruno Guimarães

[LV]

14 minutes ago, Collage said:

I’m surprised we’re this divided tbh. It’s a no-brainer for me. Just start him.

Over who though?

 

Cant see Shelvey, Willock or Joelinton being happy about being dropped for him. It’s a consideration that Howe will have in mind. 
 

It’s going to take an injury or a poor game from one of them before Bruno starts I’d say. 

[Collage]

4 minutes ago, LV said:

Over who though?

 

Cant see Shelvey, Willock or Joelinton being happy about being dropped for him. It’s a consideration that Howe will have in mind. 
 

It’s going to take an injury or a poor game from one of them before Bruno starts I’d say. 

Willock for me as I don’t really see what he’s done to be guaranteed a place in the starting XI. Bruno has to be a starter sooner rather than later. 

[andyc35i]

11 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I’d put Willock in Fraser’s place, bring in Bruno and bring in Longstaff for Shelvey who can do what Shelvey does, but isn’t a liability in terms of a red card waiting to happen. 

Dubravka

Trippier      Lascelles     Schar     Burn

Joelinton      Longstaff

Bruno

Willock        |         ASM

Wood

 

 

 

Don’t think you can move Willock to the right as its a more disciplined role to cover. Joelinton maybe would be better suited there, but that would be harsh on Fraser (although I didn’t think he played well the other night) and also takes away Joelinton from the middle. I suspect it will be the same team other than either Dummett or Burn on the left 

[Guest HTT II]

9 minutes ago, andyc35i said:

Don’t think you can move Willock to the right as its a more disciplined role to cover. Joelinton maybe would be better suited there, but that would be harsh on Fraser (although I didn’t think he played well the other night) and also takes away Joelinton from the middle. I suspect it will be the same team other than either Dummett or Burn on the left 

I think Willock gets caught out in the middle too much, on and off the ball, as he did against Everton, you have to remember he will have Trippier behind him as well which is going to be a big help to him or anyone who plays on that right.
 

Joelinton has shown he is best in a deeper or concentrated CM role and he can alternate with Bruno as to who drops deep and who goes further forward, Longstaff can do both that too.
 

Ideally, I’d have Murphy down the right instead of Fraser or Willock, he is more of a goal threat, quicker and just needs more game time for better consistency levels. When he come on against Everton our play switched from pretty much all of ASM down the left to attacking down the right and he was unlucky not to score!

 

Long-term, only Bruno survives in midfield, we need a whole new one.

[Consortium of one]

2 hours ago, LV said:

Over who though?

 

Cant see Shelvey, Willock or Joelinton being happy about being dropped for him. It’s a consideration that Howe will have in mind. 
 

It’s going to take an injury or a poor game from one of them before Bruno starts I’d say. 

I'm under the impression that while he's extremely active defensively he is also an exquisite passer.  That points right at Shelvey.  I am no fan of Jonjo but I do appreciate that he has been willing to work to improve his game.  However, when a guy like Guimaraes comes in someone knows they are dropping down.  Longstaff has already dropped a peg.  If Bruno can pass, carry the ball and break up play he wins over Shelvey.  Then what does Shelvey give you over Willock and Joe?  He has no pace.  He can't press.  He doesn't break up play unless it's confined to a very small space.  It has to be Shelvey and I wouldn't expect him to be happy.

 

 

[Yorkie]

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@Infinitely Content recognition from the man himself.

[HawK]

17 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZu_d8rM3ey/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

@Infinitely Content recognition from the man himself.

 

For those without instagram ?

[Ikon]

The Bruno flag posted. 

[Infinitely Content]

24 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CZu_d8rM3ey/?utm_medium=copy_link

 

@Infinitely Content recognition from the man himself.

What a sweetheart he is  I wonder if he noticed it's in fact not his body but his brother Joelinton's that his head is upon, United by Newcastle.

[Geordie Ahmed]

On the subject of who plays

 

I'd definitely start Bruno, wouldn't be dropping Fraser as him and Trippier have a decent little partnership going

 

You can make a case for any one of Shelvey/Joelinton/Willock missing out 

[Yorkie]

15 minutes ago, HawK said:

 

For those without instagram ?

 

[KaKa]

I cannot believe having watched this guy's highlights of him driving forward with the ball and threading through exquisite passes to forward players, people want him to come in and sit back in front of the defence.

 

Not having that at all. Joe's energy and work rate in midfield is absolutely vital at the minute and so he's not going anywhere. And so we have Willock and Shelvey. Willock cannot play in that deeper holding role, and so he has to sit on the bench for now. 

[TRon]

1 minute ago, KaKa said:

I cannot believe having watched this guy's highlights of him driving forward with the ball and threading through exquisite passes to forward players, people want him to come in and sit back in front of the defence.

 

Not having that at all. Joe's energy and work rate in midfield is absolutely vital at the minute and so he's not going anywhere. And so we have Willock and Shelvey. Willock cannot play in that deeper holding role, and so he has to sit on the bench for now. 

 

The reason is quite simply that most of us have assumed he was primarily a defensive midfielder who can bring the ball out. Watching highlights of his fantastic passing and carrying the ball doesn't necessarily change his primary role. It's great that he can do most everything, although notably doesn't offer much of a goal threat, so that would be why he's probably seen more of a disruptor and playmaker type.

 

I assumed he would be replacing Shelvey based on that, but if he's actually more of an AM then I can see the logic of playing him further forward instead of Willock.

[Robster]

Tell you what, what a fucking pleasure it is to read interesting and intelligent posts about team selections and formations and not just about how miserable an existence it was under Ashley and Bruce

[KaKa]

Just now, TRon said:

 

The reason is quite simply that most of us have assumed he was primarily a defensive midfielder who can bring the ball out. Watching highlights of his fantastic passing and carrying the ball doesn't necessarily change his primary role. It's great that he can do most everything, although notably doesn't offer much of a goal threat, so that would be why he's probably seen more of a disruptor and playmaker type.

 

I assumed he would be replacing Shelvey based on that, but if he's actually more of an AM then I can see the logic of playing him further forward instead of Willock.

 

He's a central midfielder that is more of an allrounder, and so he has to be given the freedom to get up and down the pitch. At Lyon he played beside Caqueret who was the holding midfielder that was more defensive minded. Not sure why we'd now want to bring him in to sit in a holding role and neutralise some of his best qualities. 

[TRon]

3 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

He's a central midfielder that is more of an allrounder, and so he has to be given the freedom to get up and down the pitch. At Lyon he played beside Caqueret who was the holding midfielder that was more defensive minded. Not sure why we'd now want to bring him in to sit in a holding role and neutralise some of his best qualities. 

 

Well if that's true it would make him more of a direct replacement for Joelinton from our current bunch. I just think if you put him instead of Willock, you lose some goal threat, and you still have a lumbering DM who's not really a DM in Shelvey, so I'd be worried someone like Coutinho would have a field day.

 

Anyhow, will be interesting to see the line up on Sunday, you could make a case for either or Shelvey/Willock. Both have weak parts to their game, I suppose it just depends what Howe trusts will work better on the day.

[Consortium of one]

2 minutes ago, KaKa said:

 

He's a central midfielder that is more of an allrounder, and so he has to be given the freedom to get up and down the pitch. At Lyon he played beside Caqueret who was the holding midfielder that was more defensive minded. Not sure why we'd now want to bring him in to sit in a holding role and neutralise some of his best qualities. 

So if he can make those same types of passes from a more forward role doesn't he still make Shelvey redundant?  If I'm Eddie Howe I'd want to play out the back and get the ball right to Bruno's feet and bypass the DM in most cases.  Unless the plan is to go to a 2 man MF or use Big Joe deeper both of which leave Shelvey out of the squad IMO.  Of course I am admittedly looking at it from the perspective that I want Willock for pace energy and pressing as well as late runs into the box.

[HWTL]

Preferably he would play with a CDM and a ATM so he can be box to box, the only midfielder we have who can sit deeper is Shelvey right now so really it's a choice between Big Joe and Willock.

 

If he did start Bruno I'd start Joelinton although he is also more box to box also then bring on Willock for last 20 or so if a goal is needed.

 

I think we will go unchanged to show the players if you play well and win you keep your place. 

[HWTL]

4 minutes ago, Consortium of one said:

So if he can make those same types of passes from a more forward role doesn't he still make Shelvey redundant?  If I'm Eddie Howe I'd want to play out the back and get the ball right to Bruno's feet and bypass the DM in most cases.  Unless the plan is to go to a 2 man MF or use Big Joe deeper both of which leave Shelvey out of the squad IMO.  Of course I am admittedly looking at it from the perspective that I want Willock for pace energy and pressing as well as late runs into the box.

You can't play Joelinton sitting in front of back 4, definitely isn't that type of player and you still need someone with a decent pass and composure there.

[Consortium of one]

3 minutes ago, HWTL said:

You can't play Joelinton sitting in front of back 4, definitely isn't that type of player and you still need someone with a decent pass and composure there.

And it's better to have Shelvey there to break up play?  It's asking a lot for Joe to transition from attacker to holding MF  but who would have thought he could have been successful as a box to box guy?  Howe definitely has decisions to make and I'd suspect any decision will be subject to his review.

[Phoenix711]

TRon and Kaka both have valid points but the reason for their difference is they're missing the elephant in the room: Lyon play 3-4-3 with a high pressing game. The two midfielders (Caqueret + Guimaraes) were tenacious and won the ball high up before starting attacks. There was no pure DM e.g. Ndidi, Bissouma etc because they had 3 CB and one would push up into the midfield to block the space if they lost the ball.

 

Howe is currently playing a 4-3-3 with a single pivot who is a deep lying playmaker (DLP) - their job is to shield the back 4 and distribute the ball i.e. link up defence and midfield/ attack (Wood is there for the long ball). The original role Guimaraes had does not exist in the current Newcastle formation so the question is, do you make him into a DLP or  play him in CM as a Regista (High pressing midfielder like he was at Lyon)?

 

Honestly, I'm not sure and that's why Howe is the manager. And before anyone asks why buy someone who does not fit into the system? It's because I'm pretty sure we'll evolve into a 3-4-3 when we get the personnel - we've been linked to a LM like Gosen's as well as it being reported us wanting TWO CB in the window, one who is left footed - this all hints to 3 at the back i.e. 3-4-3. He didn't get who he wanted (no Carlos and Botman) so I think he's making the best of what he has. Guimaraes, Trippier and ASM (the three best players) will all fit perfectly into the 3-4-3 system.

 

On Sunday I expect Burn to come in for Targett and if Trippier is injured, Manquilo in for him. The rest of the starting XI will remain unchanged despite how much some of want Bruno - that's at least what I think EH will do. 

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Phoenix711

[Mazzy]

Everything that's been said about him points at him being a defensive minded/transitional midfielder. He's the one that breaks up play and links defense to attack. That doesn't mean he can't break forward at times and link up with the forwards but we've desperately needed someone to play infront of the back 4 who isn't Shelvey.

 

That's his job, his goalscoring and assist record is enough to prove that. He's scored 8 league goals in his career and contributed 6 assists in just over 110apps. He's the one that starts the movement forwards and pushes us up the pitch with his balls through the lines.

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Mazzy

[KaKa]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix711 said:

TRon and Kaka both have valid points but the reason for their difference is they're missing the elephant in the room: Lyon play 3-4-3 with a high pressing game. The two midfielders (Caqueret + Guimaraes) were tenacious and won the ball high up before starting attacks. There was no pure DM e.g. Ndidi, Bissouma etc because they had 3 CB and one would push up into the midfield to block the space if they lost the ball.

 

Howe is currently playing a 4-3-3 with a single pivot who is a deep lying playmaker (DLP) - their job is to shield the back 4 and distribute the ball i.e. link up defence and midfield/ attack (Wood is there for the long ball). The original role Guimaraes had does not exist in the current Newcastle formation so the question is, do you make him into a DLP or  play him in CM as a Regista (High pressing midfielder like he was at Lyon)?

 

Honestly, I'm not sure and that's why Howe is the manager. And before anyone asks why buy someone who does not fit into the system? It's because I'm pretty sure we'll evolve into a 3-4-3 when we get the personnel - we've been linked to a LM like Gosen's as well as it being reported us wanting TWO CB in the window, one who is left footed - this all hints to 3 at the back i.e. 3-4-3. He didn't get who he wanted (no Carlos and Botman) so I think he's making the best of what he has. Guimaraes, Trippier and ASM (the three best players) will all fit perfectly into this system.

 

On Sunday I expect Burn to come in for Targett and if Trippier is injured, Manquilo in for him. The rest of the starting XI will remain unchanged despite how much some of want Bruno - that's at least what I think EH will do. 

 

Some really interesting points. Will be fascinating to see how it plays out.

 

In our current system, my inclination is to give him more freedom to be higher up the pitch to create chances with his immense passing ability, because we just don't have anyone that does that in our team.

 

I think with both Bruno and Joe alongside Shelvey, their tenacious play helps make Shelvey's job easier and he just then needs to be more of a screen at the edge of the box to help block any shots from range.

 

But lets see what happens. 

[Yorkie]

52 minutes ago, Robster said:

Tell you what, what a fucking pleasure it is to read interesting and intelligent posts about team selections and formations and not just about how miserable an existence it was under Ashley and Bruce

 

It's absolutely joyful. There really was fuck all to talk about for two and a bit years. Will the takeover happen, won't the takeover happen. Bruce is shit isn't he. The fans should stop going, no they shouldn't. Ends. 

 

It's brilliant. I think "we've got our club back" is a bit of a dubious and precarious statement given the nature of football ownership, but we've certainly got our desire for interesting and varied debate back.

[TRon]

15 minutes ago, Phoenix711 said:

TRon and Kaka both have valid points but the reason for their difference is they're missing the elephant in the room: Lyon play 3-4-3 with a high pressing game. The two midfielders (Caqueret + Guimaraes) were tenacious and won the ball high up before starting attacks. There was no pure DM e.g. Ndidi, Bissouma etc because they had 3 CB and one would push up into the midfield to block the space if they lost the ball.

 

Howe is currently playing a 4-3-3 with a single pivot who is a deep lying playmaker (DLP) - their job is to shield the back 4 and distribute the ball i.e. link up defence and midfield/ attack (Wood is there for the long ball). The original role Guimaraes had does not exist in the current Newcastle formation so the question is, do you make him into a DLP or  play him in CM as a Regista (High pressing midfielder like he was at Lyon)?

 

Honestly, I'm not sure and that's why Howe is the manager. And before anyone asks why buy someone who does not fit into the system? It's because I'm pretty sure we'll evolve into a 3-4-3 when we get the personnel - we've been linked to a LM like Gosen's as well as it being reported us wanting TWO CB in the window, one who is left footed - this all hints to 3 at the back i.e. 3-4-3. He didn't get who he wanted (no Carlos and Botman) so I think he's making the best of what he has. Guimaraes, Trippier and ASM (the three best players) will all fit perfectly into the 3-4-3 system.

 

On Sunday I expect Burn to come in for Targett and if Trippier is injured, Manquilo in for him. The rest of the starting XI will remain unchanged despite how much some of want Bruno - that's at least what I think EH will do. 

 

 

 

 

That's it, just chuck a 3-4-3 formation into the mix to confuse us further.