Conjo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, Orphanage said: Its called realism It's not realism, it's just you projecting your own frustrations and insecurities on here because we didn't win away to Chelsea. Seriously, cheer up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheInfiniteOdyssey Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 6 minutes ago, Conjo said: Which clubs specifically do you think could afford to buy and pay them, besides those I mentioned a few posts over? I don’t know the financial possibilities for each elite European club, but you’ve already mentioned about 10 clubs which is a sizeable amount already. In any case, this is deviating from my original challenge to your post which basically insinuated our best players would be steadfastly loyal to us and not be interested in moving on. I don’t think that’s true at all and I’d expect them to want to move if an acceptable offer arrives. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orphanage Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 25 minutes ago, Conjo said: It's not realism, it's just you projecting your own frustrations and insecurities on here because we didn't win away to Chelsea. Seriously, cheer up. Nah its realism . Like a lot of fans youre putting your wishes in front of the reality Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: I don’t know the financial possibilities for each elite European club, but you’ve already mentioned about 10 clubs which is a sizeable amount already. In any case, this is deviating from my original challenge to your post which basically insinuated our best players would be steadfastly loyal to us and not be interested in moving on. I don’t think that’s true at all and I’d expect them to want to move if an acceptable offer arrives. Of course there are never any 100% guarantees. If for whatever reason one of the elite clubs in the world finds themselves a striker or cm short, see Bruno or Isak as the ideal replacement and have a load of money and wiggle room within FFP, sure, they might leave. Slim chance of that happening imo. I don't see any of the elite clubs screaming out for an Isak or Bruno with their current squads, and if they were, I think many of them would think there is better value elsewhere as we wouldn't let them go cheap. Even if our players wanted to leave, I don't see any of our top players leaving for the likes of say Dortmund/Leverkusen, Inter/Juventus/Roma/AC Milan/Napoli, Atletico Madrid/Athletic/Sociedad etc (meaning the clubs in the bracket below the teams already mentioned earlier). Hell Isak joined us from Sociedad after we finished 11th. Do you really think he'd go back to that calibre of club just because of one season with no Europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LiquidAK Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Glad we're back to Pessimism = Grown-up. Feels comfortingly familiar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucasol Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 No other weapon left in our arsenal than to deploy singing “Please Don’t Go” by KWS for 90 minutes straight from now each game until the end of the season. “Bruuunnnnooooo I’m begging you to stay, Please don’t go…” What do you say lads? Lads? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) It’s really not a big reach to imagine that our players wouldn’t at least entertain serious offers from big clubs this summer is it? Because if those offers arrive then they certainly would. It’s blindy optimistic to assume they’d turn down CL moves for more money and a chance at trophies, our project is years away from being able to guarantee that to anyone. Personally I wouldn’t hold it against any player for moving on, under our current circumstances it’s just part of the game for us. I trust management to trade and reinvest well. Edited March 12 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 14 hours ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said: If that’s our finishing position, you honestly believe the likes of Bruno, Isak, Botman and whoever else wouldn’t want to move on if a major European club put in an acceptable offer for them in the summer? Spurs finished outside all the European places last season, won nowt, lost Harry Kane, and hired a relatively unknown manager, they attracted James Maddison, Van de Ven, Vicario, among others. You mentioned major European clubs putting in offers, Spurs were not in Europe, many clubs were in for Maddison and the others, clubs that offered champions league, and Uefa Cup, they still chose spurs, so your point isn't really valid. Players choose clubs based on wages, let's get real. 👍🏼 Edited March 13 by mighty__mag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Spurs have been an established top 4-5 team for about 10 years whether we like it or not, though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 56 minutes ago, Orphanage said: Its called realism You say it how it is man, I respect that, keep it real. Nobody else is brave enough to say it how it is like you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mighty__mag Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Maddison went from 100k to 170k That's all I see. I still believe he took a risk based on what I pointed out, no Kane, Ange possibly not working out? Hypothetically he could have been looking at a Chelsea/Poch situation, but, its all looking like it might work out as he'd hoped. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 9 minutes ago, Nine said: It’s really not a big reach to imagine that our players wouldn’t at least entertain serious offers from big clubs this summer is it? Because if those offers arrive then they certainly would. It’s blindy optimistic to assume they’d turn down CL moves for more money and a chance at trophies, our project is years away from being able to guarantee that to anyone. Personally I wouldn’t hold it against any player for moving on, under our current circumstances it’s just part of the game for us. I trust management to trade and reinvest well. Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Just now, HaydnNUFC said: Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us. If Arsenal match his valuation he's 100% off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sibierski Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 2 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us. Think what works in our favour, are his injuries over his time with us. Someone paying £80m+ will want more assurances he won't be injured regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 1 minute ago, Sibierski said: Think what works in our favour, are his injuries over his time with us. Someone paying £80m+ will want more assurances he won't be injured regularly. Maybe, but his injury record before signing for us is very good. Barnes likewise. Perhaps it's us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 7 minutes ago, Shearergol said: You say it how it is man, I respect that, keep it real. Nobody else is brave enough to say it how it is like you. Gotta give 'em some credit for going against The Clique. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HaydnNUFC said: Yep. Isak is the one I worry the most about. We consistently don't get the best out of him and given how good he is to think that he wouldn't entertain the thought of leaving for an Arsenal or another big club closer to challenging for the top honours either here or abroad in Europe is delusional imo. Obviously we would get top money for him if we were to let him go, but to replace him with a player just as good as him or better would take £80m+ at least. And the players that cost that much will have better offers than from us. Unfortunately a lot of football fans fall into the trap of getting emotionally attached to certain players, convincing themselves said players wont leave and then when it happens they label those players as traitors This cycle repeats itself and as you say, it’s mass delusion. We struck gold with Bruno and Isak in particular, but we’d extract big value from a sale for either also. Without a shadow of a doubt we will have targets identified already in anticipation of either leaving, not saying they will or they won’t but management will be prepared. Edited March 12 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Nine said: Unfortunately a lot of football fans fall into the trap of getting emotionally attached to certain players, convincing themselves said players wont leave and then when it happens they label those players as traitors This cycle repeats itself and as you say, it’s mass delusion. We struck gold with Bruno and Isak in particular, but we’d extract big value from a sale for either also. Without a shadow of a doubt we will have targets identified already in anticipation of either leaving, not saying they will or they won’t but management will be prepared. This is pure nihilism, need to stop. Getting depressed. But replacing Isak would be incredibly difficult. I struggle to think of many strikers out there as good as him or better than him. The ones I can think of aren't coming here with no Europe or serious chance(s) of silverware when they'll have the pick of other clubs that can offer both. If they're not already at one. Edited March 12 by HaydnNUFC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 I assume guys like Isak and bruno are highly accountable, self aware players who take responsibility and have a sense of pride in their own performances in a struggling team, at times this season. Also assume these guys are also aware of the good times and amazing experiences and aren't going to just cut and run and be so selfish. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjohnson Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 34 minutes ago, Kanji said: I assume guys like Isak and bruno are highly accountable, self aware players who take responsibility and have a sense of pride in their own performances in a struggling team, at times this season. Also assume these guys are also aware of the good times and amazing experiences and aren't going to just cut and run and be so selfish. Hell of an assumption....Bruno looks like he cares, but won't wait for for stragglers to catch up with him. Isak never looks like he has a clue what's going on Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Always impossible to tell what an individual player’s priorities are. They don’t owe us anything really although they have to make a faith-based decision. If I stay here, can I achieve what I want to achieve, e.g. win trophies, be in CL year on year. Isak and Bruno won’t stay for two seasons out of the CL but I hope they’ll stay for one out of it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 4 hours ago, gjohnson said: Hell of an assumption....Bruno looks like he cares, but won't wait for for stragglers to catch up with him. Isak never looks like he has a clue what's going on hell of an assumption on your part too then, it goes both ways. But the biggest defeatist nonsense I’m tired of reading here is X player will leave because he’s “too good” for us. There’s being a realist and adult about things, there’s the drama queen, and then there’s the fan who thinks it’s raining always. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vedder Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Without falling into the latter, we do have to acknowledge Bruno in particular was sold the dream of us conquering England and Europe. Whether it’s FFP or whatever, I think it’s fair to say our trajectory isn’t going to be as fast as we hoped. Fans are quick to turn on players when things don’t go well yet believe players should be so attached to the club. The reality is they have short careers that they need to make the most of and at the moment, you couldn’t blame our better players for wanting to go to Arsenal over staying with us. But if it does happen, we’ll make a profit and hopefully recycle it well like Liverpool and Spurs have done in the past. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 6 hours ago, Kanji said: hell of an assumption on your part too then, it goes both ways. But the biggest defeatist nonsense I’m tired of reading here is X player will leave because he’s “too good” for us. There’s being a realist and adult about things, there’s the drama queen, and then there’s the fan who thinks it’s raining always. Bruno isn’t ’too good for us’. No player is. I think he’s the most likely of our ‘crown jewels’ to leave in the summer - due to age and the fact he’s been here a little longer than the others (admittedly not by much). If he does, I hope it’s abroad and for a massive sum of money. If he stays; excellent, we’ve still got a top notch midfielder that we don’t need to replace. Getting overly attached to individual players isn’t a good idea in football - all that really counts is whether or not the club is just going to pour the profits into the owner’s pockets or reinvest it. As long as it’s the latter, I tend not to worry too much about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 13 hours ago, LiquidAK said: Glad we're back to Pessimism = Grown-up. Feels comfortingly familiar. Thought this was the politics thread for a minute. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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