Bruno Guimarães

[Colos Short and Curlies]

18 minutes ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

 

 

Newcastle are never going to be in a position to stop a player wanting to leave for the biggest clubs in the world. You can argue if PSG are in that bracket or not, but we’re not immune from our best players being sold (albeit on our terms and at the right price).

 

 

 

I don't think any club in England can. There's an allure and romance to the Spanish giants in particular for a lot of players which at some point trumps everything else. Yes the Manchester clubs in particular can always pull players in the opposite direction but they still lose players who fans ideally would see staying.

 

There's also a factor with PSG of being the one to bring the CL there, along with living in Paris. Must be tempting for a lot of players.

[timeEd32]

I'm resigned to the fact he will likely leave at some point in the next two years, but I dread the day I need to tell my 7 year old. He'll be devastated.

[SUPERTOON]

https://x.com/JoelBlandSport/status/1743285431209275842?s=20

[LionOfGosforth]

1 hour ago, TheInfiniteOdyssey said:

It’s just the reality of it though. His representatives and our board negotiated a release clause into his new contract. That indicates an implicit understanding that he will be allowed to move on if the clause is met, and it also protects the club by putting us in a strong position to extract an appropriately large fee for him.

 

Every club sells players, it’s how it works. I don’t see why we’d be a special case in this regard. Other posters have pointed out how the likes of Spurs and Villa have done this over the years to good effect. 

 

Ashworth has been on record on numerous occasions talking about the importance of trading players and what it means for FFP.

 

I’m not manifesting anything, it’s just a discussion, but if you think we’re not going to be tested for players like Bruno, particularly when we’re not in contention to win trophies or even qualify for elite European competitions, you’re going to be in for a shock.

 

Newcastle are never going to be in a position to stop a player wanting to leave for the biggest clubs in the world. You can argue if PSG are in that bracket or not, but we’re not immune from our best players being sold (albeit on our terms and at the right price).

 

Personally, I think we make one high-profile sale in the summer window and I think that player will be Bruno. 

 

I'm aware of all of that and I don't think i've ever stated that we can stop a player leaving if he wants to or that we won't be tested for our best players either. I may be of a more romantic ilk but i'm sick to the back teeth of reading about FFP, FMV and all the other esoteric shite that the modern game inflicts on us.

 

Maybe just maybe, we have a player who has seen what is possible from ground zero, has seen the warmth him and his family have been receiving and isn't in a hurry to jump ship at the first sign of slight regression to play for a club and fanbase who won't treat him with the love we have.

 

We have a sizeable squad, if we need to be pragmatic and trade to alleviate our financial position, yeah I get it. I don't think it HAS to be him and I really hope it isn't. That said, if it turns out he wants to leave, it stinks but there's not much we can do. I just wouldn't ever welcome it or think it's fine. Losing a key and proven player to reinvest in others that may not work out is an outcome nobody wants and could set us back a while. There's no guarantees players we replace will out-perform those that leave.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by LionOfGosforth

[janpawel]

If we sell him, I can't imagine how we'd replace him and then play as he has rare qualities 

 

If we bought a defensive mid / 6, say Kalvin Phillips.. Imagine a midfield 3 of Phillips, Joelinton and Longstaff... Very physical but such limited technical ability, uninspiring tbh 

 

Then again due to FFP we could probably buy 2 World class midfielders and bring a more attacking midfielder into the 3

 

 

[PauloGeordio]

Committed! 

[r0cafella]

4 minutes ago, janpawel said:

If we sell him, I can't imagine how we'd replace him and then play as he has rare qualities 

 

If we bought a defensive mid / 6, say Kalvin Phillips.. Imagine a midfield 3 of Phillips, Joelinton and Longstaff... Very physical but such limited technical ability, uninspiring tbh 

 

Then again due to FFP we could probably buy 2 World class midfielders and bring a more attacking midfielder into the 3

 

 

System will obviously have to be tweaked, would allow us to play a more athletic defensively capable 6 as well. 
 

Either way absolutely nothing to panic about.

[TBG]

Has a blinder tomorrow and we build the team around him.

 

Has a mare tomorrow and he's the first out the door.

[Yorkie]

I think his affection for the club and his loving relationship with the fans is genuine and, while that doesn't make us bulletproof, it alleviates the stress of a possible sale to some extent.

 

He clearly gets a lot of joy and motivation from being loved, and you can tell that the stuff with his Dad has made a big difference. He parades his wee'un (and inevitably the next one to come) as little Geordies on social media, and the ties to Big Joe and his family are obviously a big deal to him. I also believe him when he talks about wanting to put his name in the history of the club.

 

The threat of losing him is real but I think we have a very good chance of convincing him to stay; that's providing that we recover from our slump, and there remains clear evidence that we're on an upward trajectory, even if the shape of the curve is a bit erratic. If we completely fall to pieces then we're in a far worse position to keep him, but I think we'll finish strongly.

 

Regardless of form, if PSG come flying in and activate the release clause, then it's probably curtains because the club will engage in a sale, and the player's wishes are less relevant. However, is it even realistic that they'd do that? That release clause is miles away from anything they've ever spent on that position. A glance through Transfermarkt would suggest that it would put him behind only Mbappe and Neymar as their biggest outlays. Plus, they're well stacked in that area, including with Ugarte who joined recently.

 

If anything comes in, my guess is that it will be in the summer and will be a number lower than what we'd be prepared to accept. In that case, it's up to the player to itch for the move. I don't think he will so we'll say: "release clause or fuck off." And that'll be the end of the matter, Bruno's a Geordie. 

[The Butcher]

He wanted that release clause in his new deal. He'll be off sooner or later and that's fine.

[Mattoon]

4 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

I think his affection for the club and his loving relationship with the fans is genuine and, while that doesn't make us bulletproof, it alleviates the stress of a possible sale to some extent.

 

He clearly gets a lot of joy and motivation from being loved, and you can tell that the stuff with his Dad has made a big difference. He parades his wee'un (and inevitably the next one to come) as little Geordies on social media, and the ties to Big Joe and his family are obviously a big deal to him. I also believe him when he talks about wanting to put his name in the history of the club.

 

The threat of losing him is real but I think we have a very good chance of convincing him to stay; that's providing that we recover from our slump, and there remains clear evidence that we're on an upward trajectory, even if the shape of the curve is a bit erratic. If we completely fall to pieces then we're in a far worse position to keep him, but I think we'll finish strongly.

 

Regardless of form, if PSG come flying in and activate the release clause, then it's probably curtains because the club will engage in a sale, and the player's wishes are less relevant. However, is it even realistic that they'd do that? That release clause is miles away from anything they've ever spent on that position. A glance through Transfermarkt would suggest that it would put him behind only Mbappe and Neymar as their biggest outlays. Plus, they're well stacked in that area, including with Ugarte who joined recently.

 

If anything comes in, my guess is that it will be in the summer and will be a number lower than what we'd be prepared to accept. In that case, it's up to the player to itch for the move. I don't think he will so we'll say: "release clause or fuck off." And that'll be the end of the matter, Bruno's a Geordie. 

 

This is where I'm at, I don't think he's in a rush to leave but if the right offer comes in the club might want to sell to help build. I wouldn't want him to leave but the silver lining is seeing some acceleration in our rebuild.

[Jagten]

3 hours ago, SUPERTOON said:

West Ham reinvesting the Rice money are a perfect example of how selling your best player can work. Obviously hope he stays mind.

Interesting because a lot of their numbers are actually slightly worse than last season. If I had to bet on anyone to fall off it would be them. 

[McDog]

26 minutes ago, The Butcher said:

He wanted that release clause in his new deal. He'll be off sooner or later and that's fine.

 

With "He" being his agent most likely. Bruno gets sold he gets a chunk. If PSG came in we can't do a thing but Bruno can tell them to fuck off if he wants. Ultimately he decides if he wants to go if the release clause is met.

[Shearergol]

Ruined my weekend all this talk about him leaving. Pretty depressed now. Thanks guys.

[Ronson333]

If we do have any plans to sell him in the summer, the clever thing would be to buy his replacement in this window. Otherwise everyone will see us coming and up the transfer fee in the summer.

[SEMTEX]

We already bought Tonali innit. Miley/Longy/Joelintony/Willy/Andersony/Tonaliy. Plenty of midfielders.

 

If we do sell up, and we're as limited in the market as we're being repeatedly told, I'd probably prefer we spent on a striker and some defenders.

 

 

 

 

[Ikon]

14 minutes ago, SEMTEX said:

We already bought Tonali innit. Miley/Longy/Joelintony/Willy/Andersony/Tonaliy. Plenty of midfielders.

 

If we do sell up, and we're as limited in the market as we're being repeatedly told, I'd probably prefer we spent on a striker and some defenders.

 

 

 

 

The footballing ability of that “group” ain’t of very high quality overall though. There’s a reason we struggle without Bruno. Because he’s the only one with proper footballing quality on the ball. Tonali obviously has a high ceiling potentially, new to the league. So does Miley (still so young). 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by Ikon

[SEMTEX]

2 minutes ago, Ikon said:

The footballing ability amongst those ain’t of very high quality overall though. There’s a reason we struggle without Bruno. Because he’s the only one with proper footballing quality on the ball. Tonali obviously has a high ceiling potentially, new to the league. So does Miley (still so young). 

 

Aye I don't disagree, if we're aiming to compete at the highest level... but if I'm looking at the groups of players, I still think that group of midfielders is healthier than our defender/striker groups, for various reasons.

 

Ideally we just sign everyone we need, but if I'm drinking the "FFP Restrictions" Kool-Aid, then midfield wouldn't be my priority.

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by SEMTEX

[BonesJones]

Imo we have so many areas which need strengthening both quality and depth wise, that losing him would most likely massively benefit us, as sad as that is.

 

We would've been scouting a replacement the second that release clause became a reality.

 

 

[Novocastrian]

Has Mike Ashley come back. I know FFP is constraining us to a degree but surely we aren’t selling our best players? 

 

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by Novocastrian

[danny]

All you got to do is look at him, he aint going nowhere

[TRon]

9 minutes ago, Novocastrian said:

Has Mike Ashley come back. I know FFP is constraining us to a degree but surely we aren’t selling our best players? 

 

 

 

 

We don't want to obviously, but if we are going to, at least we'll triple our money.

[RUHRLYASLEEVESUP]

47 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

If we do have any plans to sell him in the summer, the clever thing would be to buy his replacement in this window. Otherwise everyone will see us coming and up the transfer fee in the summer.

Be Jobe Marra, if he doesn't go to Real that is 

[Heron]

Would love Bruno to bag one tomorrow

[TheBrownBottle]

53 minutes ago, Ronson333 said:

If we do have any plans to sell him in the summer, the clever thing would be to buy his replacement in this window. Otherwise everyone will see us coming and up the transfer fee in the summer.

Wr can’t do that, though.