wyn davies Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Despite my reservations about him, I think he needs to start against Southampton at weekend and then make a judgement following that game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 48 minutes ago, Joseph said: He’s unbelievably average. The bench is the best thing to ever happen to him reputationally, but people seem to have it in for Burn. what a load of rubbish Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Looked like it was his 1st start in several months against a team coming full speed out the blocks to save themselves. Burn benefitted from Everton being burned out by the time he came on. A new attacking high quality LB is essential in the summer, especially if CL is on offer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 27 minutes ago, Big River said: what a load of rubbish Aye, plays faultlessly last season from the off. His reputation has actually suffered while being on the bench I’d say. I don’t think Targett had a good game last night and I don’t think he’ll be our main left back next season but I don’t think Burn will be either. Targett has been a great professional and really consistent. I’m sure if he’d been match fit all season he’d have put in the same solid performances as last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) He needs more time back in the side before he’s fairly judged, we know how consistent he can be from last season. No need to upgrade the LB position this summer, it’s far from a priority imo. Although we lack the attacking quality there it’s still one of positions with the strongest depth between Burn/Targett. CB and RB are more in need. Edited April 28, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Joseph said: He’s unbelievably average. The bench is the best thing to ever happen to him reputationally, but people seem to have it in for Burn. Wot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Nine said: He needs more time back in the side before he’s fairly judged, we know how consistent he can be from last season. No need to upgrade the LB position this summer, it’s far from a priority imo. I think it’s 90% certain we’ll buy an LB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nine Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: I think it’s 90% certain we’ll buy an LB. I’m not convinced personally, we have far less depth in quality at CB/RB. Obviously Targett may not be happy playing second fiddle and want to move, in that case we will. Edited April 28, 2023 by Nine Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Tough game to come in for his first start since September, or whenever it was. I thought he was noticeably better on the ball than Burn and was good for the opener. Very up and down defensively, mind. I know he's quick and strong, but when he got ragdolled by Iwobi, after attempting to foul him. Embarrassing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Lush Vlad said: I thought he was noticeably better on the ball than Burn and was good for the opener. Yeah, his passing was precise and quick. Notably better than Burn. People will remember that one incident where he got bodied and that will end up being what is focused on. He did a lot right yesterday. Wasn't a bad performance, at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyc35i Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I suspect we want a more attacking full back in, but I think we may put it on ice given the other priority areas and the spending restrictions. We have Kraft to come back in and just signed Ashby. Burn and Targett on the left side is fine for the way we play. Shifting Lewis and Manquillo will most likely happen which may change things Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiston Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 May be his lack of game time but don't think he looked a better fit currently than Burn. Would start him against Southampton though still, just to give him another go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jackyboy Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Thought he looked much better than Burn in the first half. He's obviously short on match fitness and that will take a few games Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Joseph said: He’s unbelievably average. The bench is the best thing to ever happen to him reputationally, but people seem to have it in for Burn. He's not though is he. Go back and watch him last season. We wouldn't have bought him otherwise, just got unlucky with the timing of his knocks and illness. Edited April 28, 2023 by Optimistic Nut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, David Edgar said: Yeah, his passing was precise and quick. Notably better than Burn. People will remember that one incident where he got bodied and that will end up being what is focused on. He did a lot right yesterday. Wasn't a bad performance, at all. This. Also what no one is mentioning is how composed he remains in these volatile atmospheres. He never visibly gets flustered and just tries to do the basics sensibly. These qualities ultimately lead to the first goal which ultimately changed the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloGeordio Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Some Neo matrix shit going on here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
La Parka Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 There was one point where he looked like he was running on sand. He definitely was weak, but he's not match fit. Deserves a do at sotn. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joseph Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, Optimistic Nut said: He's not though is he. Go back and watch him last season. We wouldn't have bought him otherwise, just got unlucky with the timing of his knocks and illness. He’s the absolute definition of a mid table full back. Average in attack and (generously) average in defence. He also has an infuriating habit of making incredibly lazy lunges instead of tracking his man, and was repeatedly getting skinned or giving away free kicks as a result before being hooked for Burn earlier in the season (did it again at one point last night against Iwobi). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazzy Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Hell be second choice LB next season and will get himself more appearances than this season just down to the fact we'll have more games. Iwobi is having a good season and is more than capable of bullying even the better fullbacks on his day. Targett did as well as I expected him to do in a game like that in his first start in an age. Should start Sunday no question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 21 minutes ago, Joseph said: He’s the absolute definition of a mid table full back. Average in attack and (generously) average in defence. He also has an infuriating habit of making incredibly lazy lunges instead of tracking his man, and was repeatedly getting skinned or giving away free kicks as a result before being hooked for Burn earlier in the season (did it again at one point last night against Iwobi). I don't think it's too unfair to call him a mid-table player, but Targett's been "dribbled past" 0.8 times per game this season in the league, the exact same as Burn. He's also committed 0.5 fouls per game to Burn's 0.9. I think this makes "repeatedly skinned or giving away free kicks" seem a bit dodgy as an argument. Last season his numbers were 0.8 and 0.6, so he's fairly consistent with it too. It's harder to pin down data for the lazy lunges and tracking runners, but he's on a 45% success rate for tackling dribblers versus Burn's 52% this season, though last season he was up at 64% so there has been a drop off. Tracking runners isn't something I've really noticed as being a major weakness of Targett, or an area where Burn is clearly better than him, but I could've just missed it. Basically, if he's the definition of a mid-table full-back, I dunno what that makes Burn. Seems a very weird player to have an agenda against, and this is all ignoring how much better in possession and in general offensively better he is than Burn, as well as the extra set piece threat he provides. Would still like to see us sign a top-class left-back in the summer, but last night proved to me that Targett is significantly better than Burn in the role, even when he hasn't started for seven months. Hopefully next term he's satisfied with being a backup who'll get more minutes, while Burn moves inside to provide competition/cover for Botman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Think 2 starts in 4 days will be a bit much. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big River Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 19 hours ago, Joseph said: Isak not starting is a mistake. Also anticipating an Everton goal from a lazy Targett challenge #HoweOut 18 hours ago, Joseph said: Classic Targett - stick a lazy leg out instead of tracking his man. 18 hours ago, Joseph said: Targett will always take the option that requires the least amount of physical exertion. He saw Botman was probably on to cover him so was happy to jog. 17 hours ago, Joseph said: Burn would've been able to at least foul competently. 5 hours ago, Joseph said: He’s unbelievably average. The bench is the best thing to ever happen to him reputationally, but people seem to have it in for Burn. 43 minutes ago, Joseph said: He’s the absolute definition of a mid table full back. Average in attack and (generously) average in defence. He also has an infuriating habit of making incredibly lazy lunges instead of tracking his man, and was repeatedly getting skinned or giving away free kicks as a result before being hooked for Burn earlier in the season (did it again at one point last night against Iwobi). and you reckon people have it in for Burn... Tiggs boffing your Mam or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Mountain Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Mazzy said: Hell be second choice LB next season and will get himself more appearances than this season just down to the fact we'll have more games. Iwobi is having a good season and is more than capable of bullying even the better fullbacks on his day. Targett did as well as I expected him to do in a game like that in his first start in an age. Should start Sunday no question. Let's not heap too much praise on Iwobi, he was rubbish last night as he usually is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Joelinton is the gold standard. Iwobi is the cheap Taiwanese knock off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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