leffe186 Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, HTT II said: I hope West Ham and Leicester win their respective cups, it shows that European football is not a closed shop or reserved only for the elite which is what the whole ESL thing was about. Does it show the dominance of English clubs, aye, but in Leciester and WHU it shows what good recruitment, a good youth policy and good coaching can do which is why some of the Spanish sites outside of the big two over there have done so well. It’s called progress IMO and although I don’t want neither City or LFC to win the CL, I’ll be rooting for Leicester and West Ham and more so Rangers, what a story that would be, plus my son’s team-mate’s grandad supports them (and us and Dunston) and he’s a top top bloke. It shows what money can and will do in the end if you have enough. West Ham misused it for a while but eventually got it right. Money bought them enough bites of the cherry. You can always point to one or two failures such as Everton, or West Ham themselves for a while, but sooner or later the law of averages will win out. It took Man City a while too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: Perez started the ESL because he saw the PL was becoming the ESL and he wanted a piece of it. Of all th EPL sides did decent business, all 4 CL sides would be better than Real Madrid On this... if Real were in the PL. I don't think they sell all of Reguillon, Odegaard & Hakimi etc. 10 minutes ago, leffe186 said: It shows what money can and will do in the end if you have enough. West Ham misused it for a while but eventually got it right. Money bought them enough bites of the cherry. You can always point to one or two failures such as Everton, or West Ham themselves for a while, but sooner or later the law of averages will win out. It took Man City a while too. Exactly. It's pure financial might. West Ham likely have the biggest net spend and wage bill of the 4 remaining UEL teams. The most impressive thing they've done is finish 6th in the PL. Obviously European experience does count and they've done well. BUt it's not a triumph of excellent coaching and player development the way Villareal or Ajax have done in previous years. West Ham likely have a bigger wage bill than Villareal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Should scrap the European Conferance and stop the drop outs from entering the Eufa league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Agree that the CL and european competition is shit these days. The bare minimum should be a guaranteed place in the CL group stage for every team that won their domestic league. Couldn't care less that fans of 5-6 teams and neutrals might find a few matches not interesting or assume them to be less competitive than if they played a 3rd-4th placed team from a bigger league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 14 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Should scrap the European Conferance and stop the drop outs from entering the Eufa league. Nah it's good fun. Gives more teams a chance to win something. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 21 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Should scrap the European Conferance Why? I think that's a rare positive move they've made as it enables the likes of Bodo to tear it up in Europe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Just now, Yorkie said: Why? I think that's a rare positive move they've made as it enables the likes of Bodo to tear it up in Europe. Just think it's unnecessary and I'd be embarrassed if we won it, would hate to end our trophy drought with that. Two European trophies is enough just feels like an opportunity to make more money to me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Spaceman Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 I think the issue is that we have 3 Euro comps each with their own group stage. We should have at least one of them being a straight knockout imo. Bring back the Cup Winners Cup. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 The Fairs Cup was basically the Conference League you know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 More supporters getting to experience European football is an overwhelmingly positive thing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 20 minutes ago, Dr.Spaceman said: I think the issue is that we have 3 Euro comps each with their own group stage. We should have at least one of them being a straight knockout imo. Bring back the Cup Winners Cup. This, this and this again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbandit Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Can’t fucking wait to be back in Europe, going to be an amazing feeling when we get there and get a tie against a big European club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFCPAUL Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, gbandit said: Can’t fucking wait to be back in Europe, going to be an amazing feeling when we get there and get a tie against a big European club We will finish top 4 next year mark my words Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 47 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: The Fairs Cup was basically the Conference League you know. It wasn't anything like the conference league at all ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 18 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: It wasn't anything like the conference league at all ? It was the 3rd tier European trophy. European Cup Cup Winners Cup Fairs Cup Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 41 minutes ago, NUFCPAUL said: We will finish top 4 next year mark my words We won't, but love the optimism. More of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 UEFA have surprisingly been very good lately. Nations League and Conference League are great additions, just wish they end giving CL dropouts another chance at EL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 5 hours ago, leffe186 said: It shows what money can and will do in the end if you have enough. West Ham misused it for a while but eventually got it right. Money bought them enough bites of the cherry. You can always point to one or two failures such as Everton, or West Ham themselves for a while, but sooner or later the law of averages will win out. It took Man City a while too. It does agreed, but WHU and Leicester through the riches of the PL have had more money to spend more often than not than some of their European rivals, but here they both are in a Semi for the first time since the PL formation. That’s not just about money and the law of averages, it’s about clubs being coached well, with good recruitment and a good youth policies. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Pata said: UEFA have surprisingly been very good lately. Nations League and Conference League are great additions, just wish they end giving CL dropouts another chance at EL. Don't get the point of the Conference League personally. Expand the Europa League to pure knockout and more teams. Would be far more interesting. Nations League is good for the European sides, but for Brazil it sucks as there is no teams to test themselves against. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, HTT II said: It does agreed, but WHU and Leicester through the riches of the PL have had more money to spend more often than not than some of their European rivals, but here they both are in a Semi for the first time since the PL formation. That’s not just about money and the law of averages, it’s about clubs being coached well, with good recruitment and a good youth policies. But vs the euro competition it is just money. No club either team has faced has a buget half as big as Arsenal's. The biggest testament to recruitment, strategy etc. is doing enough to finish above Arsenal. West Ham have signed 9 players for 20m+ compared to Lyon's 3. They should beat Lyon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, The College Dropout said: But vs the euro competition it is just money. No club either team has faced has a buget half as big as Arsenal's. The biggest testament to recruitment, strategy etc. is doing enough to finish above Arsenal. West Ham have signed 9 players for 20m+ compared to Lyon's 3. They should beat Lyon. You could argue it’s easier for European teams to qualify for European competitions via their leagues which give them an advantage over say the likes of WHU when they do themselves manage to (rarely) qualify, with the superior experience advantage, it’s not as simple as money money money being the main driving force. Edited April 28, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Flip said: Don't get the point of the Conference League personally. Expand the Europa League to pure knockout and more teams. Would be far more interesting. Nations League is good for the European sides, but for Brazil it sucks as there is no teams to test themselves against. I think the group stages make sense even in Conference League. The monetary gains for clubs from smaller leagues are huge and the guaranteed six games are better than one home game and away game before being knocked out. If I calculated right, HJK Helsinki gained 3.9 million euros just from prize money from the Conference League. Their wage bill for 2022 is approximately 2 million so the money gained just from winning two games in the group stages is absolutely staggering. European games are a massive bonus for fans too, I have no idea why it would have to be limited only to the biggest clubs in Europe who are swimming in cash any way and whose fans are having hard time taking even Europa League seriously. Edited April 28, 2022 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 Aye I’m liking it and the Nations League, much better than friendlies RE the latter and as @Patasaid it gives clubs extra revenue and for fans, who doesn’t want to watch your team away in Europe? I can wait until such days return to NUFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 1 hour ago, Pata said: I think the group stages make sense even in Conference League. The monetary gains for clubs from smaller leagues are huge and the guaranteed six games are better than one home game and away game before being knocked out. If I calculated right, HJK Helsinki gained 3.9 million euros just from prize money from the Conference League. Their wage bill for 2022 is approximately 2 million so the money gained just from winning two games in the group stages is absolutely staggering. European games are a massive bonus for fans too, I have no idea why it would have to be limited only to the biggest clubs in Europe who are swimming in cash any way and whose fans are having hard time taking even Europa League seriously. Yup. The whole point of the EuroConf is for teams like HJK and equivalents to get European football beyond the initial playoffs where they usually would bow out. To give them more exposure and chance to grow as well as fans in smaller nations getting more continental games in their nations. Very much not aimed at whoever comes 7th in the PL or Serie A although if they take it seriously they can obviously win it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pata Posted April 28, 2022 Share Posted April 28, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Disco said: Yup. The whole point of the EuroConf is for teams like HJK and equivalents to get European football beyond the initial playoffs where they usually would bow out. To give them more exposure and chance to grow as well as fans in smaller nations getting more continental games in their nations. Very much not aimed at whoever comes 7th in the PL or Serie A although if they take it seriously they can obviously win it. Aye, the Roma's and Leicester's and Marseille's are there to raise the profile and help generate interest. It's such a well laid out plan that I'm wondering if I'm making things up or are UEFA really this good now. The Armenian team in HJK's group got roughly 3 million and can only imagine how much that means to them. Some of that money has to be going to the academies which helps Armenian player production making their national team better in the future. I'm sure UEFA's end goal is to have a 32 team Euros that would make them loads more money but they are taking all the right steps that help make European football more competitive as a whole and justifying having that many teams in the tournament in the future. Nations League obviously helps with that too with one of the minnows always having the chance to qualify which used to be an impossible pipe dream. Football boom in North Macedonia has to be massive right now and they should only be better in 10-15 years time. Also hope Finland's recent success means more kids choose football instead of ice hockey as we will always be good there but could do with some help in football. Edited April 28, 2022 by Pata Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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