Cronky Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Got to bear in mind that the World Cup and Euro final tournaments consist mainly of knock-out rounds, if a team is going to go all the way to win. Luck is going to play a part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 He can have done a good job with them (on reflection) and still underachieved, see Sven with England… I’m so glad we never went with him mind, awful defensively and tactically clueless. I do wonder if Belgium’s relative recent success is more down to the fact of how good their squad has been and how many good players they’ve had rather than what he has brought to them! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kid Icarus Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 26 minutes ago, Flip said: Of course you can suggest finishing third at the WC was considered successful. Doesn't mean that was mission acomplished though as I'd expect all top teams to want to win it all. But the matter of fact is more talented teams didn't go as far. Belgium is highly overrated when it comes to this ''golden'' generation. Their ''golden'' generation has actually in fact been two players at the absolute top De Bruyne and Hazard. Furthermore, at the last Euros only De Bruyne was really at the top. Eden has been half-dead for the past two years, and Lukaku has always been slightly overrated for what he actually is. I didn't say you couldn't? I just said I don't. Yeah, and worse teams have done better. Like I say, no guarantee at tournaments but I don't consider what Belgium have done as successful in the context of the talent they have. No point getting into a player by player analysis of whether they're a golden generation or not really, but I disagree that it's just De Bruyne and Hazard and think their squad would have done better with a manager better than Martinez, I don't even know how that's remotely controversial tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 He’d have probably won a World Cup but France were slightly better. They’ve failed at the Euros but no disgrace or surprise that the France team they lost to, beat them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said: I didn't say you couldn't? I just said I don't. Yeah, and worse teams have done better. Like I say, no guarantee at tournaments but I don't consider what Belgium have done as successful in the context of the talent they have. No point getting into a player by player analysis of whether they're a golden generation or not really, but I disagree that it's just De Bruyne and Hazard and think their squad would have done better with a manager better than Martinez, I don't even know how that's remotely controversial tbh. Fair enough. It's not controversial, the same it wouldn't be if a better manager didn't go as far. In knock-out stages there's an element of luck and momentum. Just look at France, no way Deschamps is a great manager like. My original point was that I felt saying he was wasting the talents when they've actually done well is harsh on him. I'm not his biggest fan like. Thought his Wigan side was fun as they tried to play football despite being terrible, but clearly he was shite for Everton and quite lucky to end up as Belgiums manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 The argument is simple really, a better manager will always do better with that level of squad or players. That said, he has done a decent job, more than decent. It’s been the best period in their history. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: The argument is simple really, a better manager will always do better with that level of squad or players. That said, he has done a decent job, more than decent. It’s been the best period in their history. I’m not sure many managers would have done any different at the last WC, though. They were up against peak Pogba & Kante, Griezmann was at his best around then, Mbappe was class…just beaten by better players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Just now, Optimistic Nut said: I’m not sure many managers would have done any different at the last WC, though. They were up against peak Pogba & Kante, Griezmann was at his best around then, Mbappe was class…just beaten by better players. That’s an argument too, more often than not even in tournament football the better team will win. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Why is there so much random hate for Martinez amongst our fans? It’s weird, bordering on obsessive. And I don’t even remember why we’re supposed to hate him? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Icarus Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Citation needed tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 13 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Why is there so much random hate for Martinez amongst our fans? It’s weird, bordering on obsessive. And I don’t even remember why we’re supposed to hate him? Comments defending McManaman after the Haidara tackle (most managers back their player in those situations) and rolling over for Sunderland to help relegate us is all I can think of. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 21 minutes ago, HTT II said: That’s an argument too, more often than not even in tournament football the better team will win. Think that was the situation with Sven and England. Aye, it was our golden generation but that Brazil team in 2002 was better, Portugal mid 2000s were class…a class/freak free-kick and a couple of pen shoot outs were the differences between the last 8 and probably winning at least one of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBottle Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 40 minutes ago, cubaricho said: Why is there so much random hate for Martinez amongst our fans? It’s weird, bordering on obsessive. And I don’t even remember why we’re supposed to hate him? I don’t hate him, don’t really know anyone who does. Just think he’s a shite manager. Plenty of them out there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dancing Brave Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Rep Of Ireland getting beat 1-0 off Brazil Armenia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Saw their starting XI before. Sad how far they've fallen since the 90s/00s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pokerprince2004 Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 When Jeff Hendrick is your country's most high profile and best player then you know you're in deep shit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Scenes in Armenia. Fair play to them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Pokerprince2004 said: When Jeff Hendrick is your country's most high profile and best player then you know you're in deep shit He's nowhere near our best or most high profile player like That was truly awful though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Hope Ireland find a way back. Loved the Given, Duff, Keanes, McAteer, Carr era. Genuinely decent international outfit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapo Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 44 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said: Hope Ireland find a way back. Loved the Given, Duff, Keanes, McAteer, Carr era. Genuinely decent international outfit. Our CEO of 15years is being investigated by different agencies due to how he handled the finances in that time. The football infrastructure is broken possibly beyond repair and it’s main competition at youth level (Gaelic Games) is leaving it behind. The national teams decline is a natural result of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 Italy 1-0. 1st half was awful but Italy been better than Germany since HT. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted June 4, 2022 Share Posted June 4, 2022 1-1. Germany decide to put some effort in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 6’9” Solihull player puts them 1 up v Grimsby. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodneyCisse Posted June 5, 2022 Share Posted June 5, 2022 This Wales match on telly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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