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1 minute ago, Kid Icarus said:

These phases happen all the time and like I say, Spain are still the dominant country even in recent years in both competitions, so you could maybe argue it's a counter-balance rather than an imbalance.

 

West Ham have had a great season as well, beating Lyon was still a big deal because Lyon are no pushover and are stacked with good players: Paqueta, Dembele, and Denayer who we've been linked with and obviously Bruno before then too.

 

I'm not saying don't worry like because I think the entire game's fucked and will try to infinitely grow to the point of bursting :lol: I just wouldn't worry about the specific thing you're worrying about, if that makes sense.

 

Fair enough re the first paragraph but the second one I feel like you're emphasising my point (i.e. how is that great Lyon side getting beaten by a good but unspectacular West Ham team?) Maybe I'm overthinking it but let's pick this up again if that clean sweep does happen. :lol:

 

Anyway, I need to accept the utopia I'm yearning for where Steaua Bucharest, Partizan Belgrade, Anderlecht and Gothenburg are meaningful contributors to European competition - let alone the likes of Lyon and PSV - is just a dim and distant memory.

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The fact Villareal are in the CL helps other teams have a chance of winning Europa, like. And Barca are shit. Atalanta weaker. Dortmund out early.
Dont think West Ham have gotten there by an imbalance at all, personally. Just great form and a bit of luck. Their group wasnt exactly difficult,  Sevilla game was close and they deserved the aggregate win over Lyon through just pure determination coupled with quality and being really well drilled. Which game were they down to 10 men in? First leg? 

Not at all a fan of Moyes or West Aaam in general, but it'll be amazing if they win it. That team has done really well. It's been really well put together as well. 

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12 minutes ago, Yorkie said:

 

Fair enough re the first paragraph but the second one I feel like you're emphasising my point (i.e. how is that great Lyon side getting beaten by a good but unspectacular West Ham team?) Maybe I'm overthinking it but let's pick this up again if that clean sweep does happen. :lol:

 

Anyway, I need to accept the utopia I'm yearning for where Steaua Bucharest, Partizan Belgrade, Anderlecht and Gothenburg are meaningful contributors to European competition - let alone the likes of Lyon and PSV - is just a dim and distant memory.

Definitely overthinking it imo :lol: West Ham are having a great season, Lyon aren't great but they're not pushovers and have talented players and that's all there is to it I think, far bigger upsets happen all the time. You're maybe just seeing it as part of a pattern you've already noticed rather than just something that happens.

 

 


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There's definitely an increasing concentration of wealth though like, which along with these daft attempts at growth like the ESL, strike me as signs of a potential bubble burst. Can't say I know anything about the Dutch league but it does seem like it's in the mud at the moment, that recent Ajax side aside.

 

 

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Lyon are a pretty poor side to be fair. With the money the premier League sides have they should have dominated Europe alot more in recent years really. I guess the worry is now that might actually happen. 

 

Teams like Villa and Everton have higher net spends over the last decade than even sides like Bayern. 

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40 minutes ago, tgarve said:

I mean , Rangers are also in the Europa semis and Villareal in the UCL semis , so the depression about money isn’t always matched by reality

 

 

There are exceptions, but the pool of teams occupying semi-final positions every year is absolutely getting smaller and smaller, particularly in the Champions League. 18 different teams from only six countries throughout the teens. 20 from seven the decade before. 24 from 13 in the 90s. 28 from 19 in the 80s. This is a slightly different issue to what I was whinging about re English teams obviously. 

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I'd hate West Ham to win it, like. Those porn brothers will be absolutely insufferable.

 

Them winning it would also show that Europa League up for what it is. Shit, basically.

 

 

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7 hours ago, toon25 said:

Them winning it would also show that Europa League up for what it is. Shit, basically.

 

 

 

 

That's rubbish that.

 

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I hope West Ham and Leicester win their respective cups, it shows that European football is not a closed shop or reserved only for the elite which is what the whole ESL thing was about. Does it show the dominance of English clubs, aye, but in Leciester and WHU it shows what good recruitment, a good youth policy and good coaching can do which is why some of the Spanish sites outside of the big two over there have done so well. It’s called progress IMO and although I don’t want neither City or LFC to win the CL, I’ll be rooting for Leicester and West Ham and more so Rangers, what a story that would be, plus my son’s team-mate’s grandad supports them (and us and Dunston) and he’s a top top bloke. 

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They need to stop CL/Europa League drops outs entering the Europa League and Conference League thing too, give more teams an even chance…

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20 minutes ago, HTT II said:

I hope West Ham and Leicester win their respective cups, it shows that European football is not a closed shop or reserved only for the elite which is what the whole ESL thing was about. Does it show the dominance of English clubs, aye, but in Leciester and WHU it shows what good recruitment, a good youth policy and good coaching can do which is why some of the Spanish sites outside of the big two over there have done so well. It’s called progress IMO and although I don’t want neither City or LFC to win the CL, I’ll be rooting for Leicester and West Ham and more so Rangers, what a story that would be, plus my son’s team-mate’s grandad supports them (and us and Dunston) and he’s a top top bloke. 


It shows what money can and will do in the end if you have enough. West Ham misused it for a while but eventually got it right. Money bought them enough bites of the cherry.

 

You can always point to one or two failures such as Everton, or West Ham themselves for a while, but sooner or later the law of averages will win out. It took Man City a while too.

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25 minutes ago, The College Dropout said:

Perez started the ESL because he saw the PL was becoming the ESL and he wanted a piece of it.

 

Of all th EPL sides did decent business, all 4 CL sides would be better than Real Madrid

On this... if Real were in the PL. I don't think they sell all of Reguillon, Odegaard & Hakimi etc.

 

10 minutes ago, leffe186 said:


It shows what money can and will do in the end if you have enough. West Ham misused it for a while but eventually got it right. Money bought them enough bites of the cherry.

 

You can always point to one or two failures such as Everton, or West Ham themselves for a while, but sooner or later the law of averages will win out. It took Man City a while too.

Exactly. It's pure financial might. West Ham likely have the biggest net spend and wage bill of the 4 remaining UEL teams.

 

The most impressive thing they've done is finish 6th in the PL.

 

Obviously European experience does count and they've done well. BUt it's not a triumph of excellent coaching and player development the way Villareal or Ajax have done in previous years. West Ham likely have a bigger wage bill than Villareal.

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Agree that the CL and european competition is shit these days. The bare minimum should be a guaranteed place in the CL group stage for every team that won their domestic league. Couldn't care less that fans of 5-6 teams and neutrals might find a few matches not interesting or assume them to be less competitive than if they played a 3rd-4th placed team from a bigger league.

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21 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said:

Should scrap the European Conferance

 

Why? I think that's a rare positive move they've made as it enables the likes of Bodo to tear it up in Europe.

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Just now, Yorkie said:

 

Why? I think that's a rare positive move they've made as it enables the likes of Bodo to tear it up in Europe.

Just think it's unnecessary and I'd be embarrassed if we won it, would hate to end our trophy drought with that. Two European trophies is enough just feels like an opportunity to make more money to me.

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