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[Tiresias]

Well there is that but I was just pointing out there are footballing reasons too 

[The Prophet]

I for one, can't possibly understand why there is deep bitterness and anger towards the supporters of a political party who have made millions of peoples lives an utter misery over the last decade.

[gjohnson]

13 hours ago, McDog said:

 

 

Sounds like USA politics. It makes me sick TBH.

 

 

No it's just democracy. No matter how much people argue, more people voted Tory in this country than for  any other Party. Doesn't matter which party they're in...all out for themselves, make their rich friends richer, throw the public a bone every now and then and hope they don't notice that they cant control a single thing that actually goes on.

 

Current politics is purely just trying to point score against each other so come next election they're seen as in charge. The actual good of the people and country is an almost forgotten secondary consideration. If Stamer had put as much effort in to formulating solutions to the countries issues than whinging about Boris having a piss up when he might be a lot more interesting and popular.

 

So in summary, Boris and his evil skivvies are interested in holding control, sod the good of the country. Stamer and his rabble want to make Boris and his lot look like the incompetent miscreants they are, but again sod what's best for the country. 

 

 

 

 

As an idea, since this political tribalism clearly puts us all in the s*** all the time, I suggest ditching Parliament, and putting every major decision to an Internet/Phone vote. At least then true democracy would prevail, the majority would always win, and people would have to live with the weight of their decisions rather than blaming it on politicians who don't give a flying hoot anyway

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by gjohnson

[Dr Venkman]

8 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I for one, can't possibly understand why there is deep bitterness and anger towards the supporters of a political party who have made millions of peoples lives an utter misery over the last decade.

 

...again.

[The Prophet]

I'm all for listening to other people and understanding why they vote how they do, but at the same time, it's fairly obvious why there is so much resentment towards the blues.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by The Prophet

[Awaymag]

1 minute ago, The Prophet said:

I'm all for listening to other people and understanding why they vote how they do, but at the same time, but it's fairly obvious why there is so much resentment towards the blues.

I do laugh at the Tory and Labour arguments as if one side is better than the other.    

 

I gave up on politics a long time ago as they are all wankers, out to get what they can.  They are all the same.   The idea that one politician is better than another based on tory or labour belief/history is just bizarre to me.

[gbandit]

17 minutes ago, gjohnson said:

As an idea, since this political tribalism clearly puts us all in the s*** all the time, I suggest ditching Parliament, and putting every major decision to an Internet/Phone vote. At least then true democracy would prevail, the majority would always win, and people would have to live with the weight of their decisions rather than blaming it on politicians who don't give a flying hoot anyway

 

 

 

This sounds like a good recipe if we want to bring back capital punishment 

[gbandit]

4 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

I do laugh at the Tory and Labour arguments as if one side is better than the other.    

 

I gave up on politics a long time ago as they are all wankers, out to get what they can.  They are all the same.   The idea that one politician is better than another based on tory or labour belief/history is just bizarre to me.

Not wishing to start a politics thread in the football area of the forum but I think looking at the voting records of Tory politicians against Labour politicians would reveal some significant differences 

[gjohnson]

Just now, gbandit said:

This sounds like a good recipe if we want to bring back capital punishment 

Well if everyone had the chance of a vote on it then maybe it's what the country wants?

 

Doubt that kind of thing would ever happen as too many are rightly against it.

 

[gjohnson]

13 minutes ago, Awaymag said:

I do laugh at the Tory and Labour arguments as if one side is better than the other.    

 

I gave up on politics a long time ago as they are all wankers, out to get what they can.  They are all the same.   The idea that one politician is better than another based on tory or labour belief/history is just bizarre to me.

At last some sense spoken above the inherent hatred most have for those in power and the opposition.

 

I know one Labour cabinet member personally, and their ideas of everything are so Tory, they'd make a Tory blush with embarrassment. Also a huge hypocrite when it comes to some of their spiel to get votes 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by gjohnson
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[Mattoon]

I purposefully stay in the football forum to sway away from politics, not sure why the world has become some kind of tribal binary intolerance when most of us just want to be left alone. Both sides are ridiculously insane in their own way and entirely unelectable nor representative of the core of Great Britain. A popular vote just means people think you're less insane than the other guy.

 

As for Frank, he's a mediocre manager, at best, that gets plaudits simply for his name, I dislike him because he gets an unwarranted amount of support from his mates in the media, he's just the next generation of manager with a "lads card" that gets a free pass for not being very good.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Mattoon

[St. Maximin]

Wow, what have I started? 

 

I don’t have any issue with resentment towards the Tories, but that wasn’t the issue here. It’s the resentment for anyone who has a different viewpoint and yes the left has to accept they can be responsible. There’s no need to argue with that viewpoint - you can hold left-wing views and have a general hatred for right-wing views, but surely an intolerance for someone just for voting for a right-wing party is ridiculous and indefensible?

 

As we all know politics is complex and voting for a party doesn’t mean you support all their views. You don’t need to look far to see how much Labour has been divided in recent years. 
 

Each to their own if you don’t rate Lampard or things he’s said annoy you, but this “he’s a Tory cunt” attitude is just tribalistic and doesn’t reflect well on the left. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by St. Maximin

[The Prophet]

I agree this is for the politics thread, so this will be my last post on the matter, but the "they're all the same argument" doesn't stack up when Labour have moved closer to the centre ground specifically because a manifesto which offered more socialist based policy was comprehensively rejected by the British public.

 

 

[gjohnson]

3 minutes ago, The Prophet said:

I agree this is for the politics thread, so this will be my last post on the matter, but the "they're all the same argument" doesn't stack up when Labour have moved closer to the centre ground specifically because a manifesto which offered more socialist based policy was comprehensively rejected by the British public.

 

 

Which does suggest that Labour lack enough faith in their own socialist ideas to stick by them, and that Britain is fundamentally not socialist. 

 

Yes this conversation doesn't belong here though 

[LV]

It all very 1984. 4 legs good, two legs bad! 

[Kid Icarus]

32 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

Wow, what have I started? 

 

I don’t have any issue with resentment towards the Tories, but that wasn’t the issue here. It’s the resentment for anyone who has a different viewpoint and yes the left has to accept they can be responsible. There’s no need to argue with that viewpoint - you can hold left-wing views and have a general hatred for right-wing views, but surely an intolerance for someone just for voting for a right-wing party is ridiculous and indefensible?

 

As we all know politics is complex and voting for a party doesn’t mean you support all their views. You don’t need to look far to see how much Labour has been divided in recent years. 
 

Each to their own if you don’t rate Lampard or things he’s said annoy you, but this “he’s a Tory cunt” attitude is just tribalistic and doesn’t reflect well on the left. 

 

 

 

 

It's not a 'resentment for anyone who has a different viewpoint' though? It regularly gets diluted into that being the issue, as if it's like it's a disagreement about whether pineapple belongs on pizza or something. We're talking about a different viewpoint that at its most basic level includes things like:

• only certain people within society should have rights,
• the placement of people within society is due to a natural law

...and because of the above certain people suffering is a non-intervensionist issue unless it's to exaccerbate it.

 

If this were solely a theory it would be a completely different matter to the real-life objection to Tories where the above is being put into practice and people are knowingly and often deliberately being left to suffer. I get that it's easy to think of these things as philosophical differences, but when they're in power and can see the effects they're not. As a result, if you're someone who believes in the above and can see its effects, I'm well within my rights to think that you're a cruel, heartless cunt.

 

As I put in my post earlier, far too many are played by the paradox of intolerance. Right wing values by definition are intolerant. Ignoring that is the ridiculous part.

 

If Lampard was just a Tory in the respect that he voted or held a belief system consistent with his economic class, that would be fair enough and it wouldn't remotely surprise me. The fact he's in the Sol Campbell and Karl Henry category of being outspoken about his admiration for Tory politics, at one point being lines up for a seat in Kensington, and seemingly having ambitions within the Tory Party, I'm very comfortable with putting him squarely in the Tory cunt category. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[St. Maximin]

8 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

It's not a 'resentment for anyone who has a different viewpoint' though? It regularly gets diluted into that being the issue, as if it's like it's a disagreement about whether pineapple belongs on pizza or something. We're talking about a different viewpoint that at its most basic level includes things like:

• only certain people within society should have rights,
• the placement of people within society is due to a natural law

...and because of the above certain people suffering is a non-intervensionist issue unless it's to exaccerbate it.

 

If this were solely a theory it would be a completely different matter to the real-life objection to Tories where the above is being put into practice and people are knowingly and often deliberately being left to suffer. I get that it's easy to think of these things as philosophical differences, but when they're in power and can see the effects they're not. As a result, if you're someone who believes in the above and can see its effects, I'm well within my rights to think that you're a cruel, heartless cunt.

 

As I put in my post earlier, far too many are played by the paradox of intolerance. Right wing values by definition are intolerant. Ignoring that is the ridiculous part.

 

If Lampard was just a Tory in the respect that he voted or held a belief system consistent with his economic class, that would be fair enough and it wouldn't remotely surprise me. The fact he's in the Sol Campbell and Karl Henry category of being outspoken about his admiration for Tory politics, at one point being lines up for a seat in Kensington, and seemingly having ambitions within the Tory Party, I'm very comfortable with putting him squarely in the Tory cunt category. 

 

 

 

Nah, it’s not. This started because people hate Lampard because “he’s a Tory cunt”. Not because he specifically said he has those views you referenced. Simply because he commits the crime the majority of UK voters, including people you and I might see every day, happened to do. 
 

I am sure a lot of Tory voters don’t think like that. They just might have one or two reasons that make it more appealing to them, no matter how well thought out or illogical their reasons might actually be. 
 

Also you say right-wing views are intolerant, but I think that’s a very specific set of views given a range of views on various topics can be deemed left or right. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by St. Maximin

[Kid Icarus]

Just now, St. Maximin said:

Nah, it’s not. This started because people hate Lampard because “he’s a Tory cunt”. Not because he specifically said he has those views. Simply because he commits the crime the majority of UK voters, including people you and I might see every day, happened to do. 
 

I am sure a lot of Tory voters don’t think like that. They just might have one or two reasons that make it more appealing to them, no matter how well thought out or illogical their reasons might actually be. 

 

Nah, not true at all. I saw how this started and he wouldn't even be known as a Tory cunt on here if the views he held weren't already known, we'd all be guessing otherwise wouldn't we?

 

I know many don't, because they either don't connect the dots or don't care once they have. At this point you'd have to be living on Mars if you're still in the former camp though. 

[Astroblack]

36 minutes ago, LV said:

It all very 1984. 4 legs good, two legs bad! 

Animal Farm mate. 

[LV]

8 minutes ago, Astroblack said:

Animal Farm mate. 

That too 

[St. Maximin]

9 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Nah, not true at all. I saw how this started and he wouldn't even be known as a Tory cunt on here if the views he held weren't already known, we'd all be guessing otherwise wouldn't we?

 

I know many don't, because they either don't connect the dots or don't care once they have. At this point you'd have to be living on Mars if you're still in the former camp though. 

He has mentioned previously that he votes Tory and wanted David Cameron to win an election. I don’t think he has specifically got into depth over what he likes about them or Cameron. 
 

If that’s enough to despise the bloke then we should despise each and every Tory voter, but we all know politics is more nuanced than that and on a personal note I’d rather not be a left-leaning voter full of hatred, but each to their own. 

[Kid Icarus]

9 minutes ago, St. Maximin said:

He has mentioned previously that he votes Tory and wanted David Cameron to win an election. I don’t think he has specifically got into depth over what he likes about them or Cameron. 
 

If that’s enough to despise the bloke then we should despise each and every Tory voter, but we all know politics is more nuanced than that and on a personal note I’d rather not be a left-leaning voter full of hatred, but each to their own. 

 

Despise is a ridiculously over the top word word and no, we shouldn't despise every Tory voter considering you yourself have just said that not everyone is voting for the same thing or the same reason. Again, this idea that people are somehow unjustified in their attitude towards the Tory party is ridiculous. The reason they're hated is specifically because they are the party of hate, of division, or cruelness, of intolerance, of corruption, of poverty. The way that those things are now framed as 'just another political opinion' and the people who have a problem with that are 'full of hatred' as if it's a personal problem is ridiculous, but shows just how effective spin and propaganda are.

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[St. Maximin]

4 minutes ago, Kid Icarus said:

 

Despise is a ridiculously over the top word word and no, we shouldn't despise every Tory voter considering you yourself have just said that not everyone is voting for the same thing or the same reason. Again, this idea that people are somehow unjustified in their attitude towards the Tory party is ridiculous. The reason they're hated is specifically because they are the party of hate, of division, or cruelness, of intolerance, of corruption, of poverty. The way that those things are now framed as 'just another political opinion' and the people who have a problem with that are 'full of hatred' as if it's a personal problem is ridiculous, but shows just how effective spin and propaganda are.

 

 

 

To be honest I completely agree mate, but the issue here with Lampard (or other Tory voters) relates to hatred towards him for his views (to which he has barely publicly mentioned) rather than the party itself. 
 

Hating a party is part of politics and there shouldn’t be complaints from me at your opinion on them, even if I didn’t agree 

[Kid Icarus]

Totally different point and nowt to do with other games like  but it is mad how often Orwell's work is cited as being anti-socialist/communist when it was actually anti-USSR. He himself was a socialist. 

 

Anyway, leave it at that. 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Village Idiot]

We drew yesterday and secured second place in La Liga. This is important because it gives us a spot in the new Supercopa, which is rather lucrative thanks to your overlords the government of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. 

 

Given how dire things were looking before December, I'll honestly take this. Getting kicked out of the EL left a bit of a sour taste, we were on a high back then and it seemed we could go all the way. But ultimately this squad still needs lot of work, and we are not out of the woods financially so there's little room for big signings. Nonetheless, we have a spine of very talented young lads, which makes me optimistic for the future. Heck, even with our issues I think that if Pedri manages 40+ games next season we'll be up there. He's that special.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2022 by Village Idiot