Rich Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Geordiebye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 19 minutes ago, Geordiebri said: Am I not allowed an opinion Oh great overlord of free speech? He is as well. And he expressed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Vinny Green Balls said: He is as well. And he expressed it. League 1 is a bastard though tbf! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 The beginning of this Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conjo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 Just thinking, our pen… VAR is checking for a ‘clear and obvious error’ or is it checking whether the foul was inside the box? If the former, it clearly wasn’t obvious and the ref gave it, so by the rules it should be a pen? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 13, 2022 Share Posted February 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Just thinking, our pen… VAR is checking for a ‘clear and obvious error’ or is it checking whether the foul was inside the box? If the former, it clearly wasn’t obvious and the ref gave it, so by the rules it should be a pen? Yeah, but then what about the offside by a toenail goal of theirs? For once we really benefited from VAR today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Just thinking, our pen… VAR is checking for a ‘clear and obvious error’ or is it checking whether the foul was inside the box? If the former, it clearly wasn’t obvious and the ref gave it, so by the rules it should be a pen? Trippier took the free kick like a penalty anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, Jackie Broon said: Yeah, but then what about the offside by a toenail goal of theirs? For once we really benefited from VAR today. They’re different rules though, aren’t they? We know offside is judged exactly by VAR. Some other offences are judged by this ‘clear and obvious error’ test. Really just asking if the rules were applied properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Pleased another team played poorly against us, so lucky! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, madras said: Pleased another team played poorly against us, so lucky! Oh do fick off! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 You're both being sarcastic, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Rod said: Oh do fick off! Nuance and context are often lost online. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, madras said: Nuance and context are often lost online. Keats? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Rod said: Keats? Nah, madras 2022. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rod Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Just now, madras said: Nah, madras 2022. Wanker more like! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phoenix711 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 6 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: They’re different rules though, aren’t they? We know offside is judged exactly by VAR. Some other offences are judged by this ‘clear and obvious error’ test. Really just asking if the rules were applied properly. It was applied correctly. From the EPL website: "VAR will be used only for “clear and obvious errors” or “serious missed incidents” in four match-changing situations: goals; penalty decisions; direct red-card incidents; and mistaken identity." So you start with the situation and then look for the errors or things missed. The situation isn't the foul but the decision to award the penalty so you look at all aspects from the build up to the foul. When looking at the award of a penalty, they will look at all aspects (they have a check list), starting if it was a foul, were they any fouls before it, was it in the box etc During that checklist, it was deemed there was clear evidence that the foul took place outside the box. It was close but we scored and won anyways. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Yeah, but I just can’t see how it could be a clear error, since it’s so close to the line. It’s arguably on the line. Which means it’s understandable that the ref gave a pen, and it should not have been overturned? Clear evidence based on the replay is not the same as deciding that the error was clear and obvious. Or is it? I thought the point was that they don’t re-referee the game, they decide if the error itself is obvious. Which here is isn’t. Edited February 14, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) Here’s from the VAR FAQ: Quote What qualifies as a “clear and obvious error”? In testing, there was no unanimity. Different VARs came up with different outcomes. But the VAR should not be asking, "Do I think it's right or wrong?" The question is, "Is what the match officials have done a clear and obvious error?" There is a very high bar for that intervention. Edited February 14, 2022 by AyeDubbleYoo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 11 minutes ago, Rod said: Wanker more like! We all are mate. Seriously, get this context idea, Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackie Broon Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 (edited) 37 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: They’re different rules though, aren’t they? We know offside is judged exactly by VAR. Some other offences are judged by this ‘clear and obvious error’ test. Really just asking if the rules were applied properly. As far as I understand it's only subjective decisions that have to meet the clear and obvious error test, a call as to whether a foul was in or outside of the box will probably be seen as a factual decision. Edited February 14, 2022 by Jackie Broon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LFEE Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, AyeDubbleYoo said: Yeah, but I just can’t see how it could be a clear error, since it’s so close to the line. It’s arguably on the line. Which means it’s understandable that the ref gave a pen, and it should not have been overturned? Clear evidence based on the replay is not the same as deciding that the error was clear and obvious. Or is it? I thought the point was that they don’t re-referee the game, they decide if the error itself is obvious. Which here is isn’t. I agree. VAR shouldn’t of overturned the penalty as it wasn’t and still isn’t a clear & obvious error. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnNUFC Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 2 hours ago, 54 said: The beginning of this Great listen, those first 12 minutes or so. Think he's been a bit wide of the mark when it comes to Benitez' time here but in regards to us in general he only ever speaks incredibly highly of us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
huss9 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 "clear and obvious" i reckon each var check should last a max 20-30 seconds - if you cannit work it out within that time then its nor clea and obvious and the initla decision stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 12 minutes ago, LFEE said: I agree. VAR shouldn’t of overturned the penalty as it wasn’t and still isn’t a clear & obvious error. True, but by that metric it shouldn't rule out their goal either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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