Everton 1 - 0 Newcastle United (17/03/2022)

[ohmelads]

We missed Shelvey today. Against Chelsea away that was fine because we're not going to have much of the ball, but with the time and space they gave us today, he'd have enjoyed it. Everton were really poor I thought as the home side, there for the taking, but we had no ideas and gifted them a win. It was still an OK performance overall but we need more movement up front. People are talking about defenders but I think the front 3 cost us today.

[Kid Icarus]

He's a fucking idiot. Can't think of a more counterproductive form of protesting than deliberately targeting and pissing off the people you need to win over.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The Prophet]

I thought it was comedy gold. Not do funny that we looked notably worse after the restart mind.

[Wullie]

I can't believe he's 21, I'd have had him mid-40s. Nee good for the skin this climate activism.

 

I reckon we'll see another attempt tonight at Molineux.

[Shadow Puppets]

4 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

There’s literally no form of protest that doesn’t piss people off. If people can’t handle 15 mins of a football game being delayed, they really need see a counselor.

See, I would say that it was the protestor that needed counselling.

 

Of course stopping a game of football that 40,000 people have paid to go and watch is going to piss people off.

[Papavasiliou]

1 minute ago, Wullie said:

I can't believe he's 21, I'd have had him mid-40s. Nee good for the skin this climate activism.

 

I reckon we'll see another attempt tonight at Molineux.

I thought it was Spencer from Phoenix Nights

[Kid Icarus]

10 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

There’s literally no form of protest that doesn’t piss people off. If people can’t handle 15 mins of a football game being delayed, they really need see a counselor.

There literally is plenty of forms of protest that don't target the public MD, in fact many successful protests include the public.  

 

Even if there weren't, it totally ignores the reality that it does piss people off and turn them away, regardless of what you might think that says about them. Immature LARPer activism.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[olliemort]

Jesus i stuck up for dubrakva before but hes clearly a liabilty now. Makes me nervous as fuck on crosses and his postioning for the goal was horrendous. Pity we dont have anyone else capable

[Dancing Brave]

3 hours ago, WarrenBartonCentrePartin said:

 Who for? Captain Fuck!-I've-got-the-ball?

 

Well that cheered me up 

[The Prophet]

Isn't the aim of protesting to cause disruption while maintaining some public sympathy? He definitely didn't strike that balance.

[Papavasiliou]

Just now, The Prophet said:

Isn't the aim of protesting to cause disruption while maintaining some public sympathy? He definitely didn't strike that balance.

Dunno about that like. It was a 10min delay to a game of football. Not exactly up there with XR hopping on top of the tube at rush hour or Insulate Britain blocking ambulances from getting to hospital. 

[Foluwashola]

Can’t imagine how much he stunk like. Looked very school shooter / incel-y so should be thankful the daft lad was only interested in choking himself.

 

aaful second half, never a red card but no way we should be losing after it.

[Kid Icarus]

29 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

Could you give me an example? Many successful protests don’t involve the public? yeah no, that’s not remotely true. Coverage is essential to success. 
 

Why is it LARPer activism? because you don’t like the guy and he looks a bit weird? Would you have respected it if he was 25, and didn’t have long greasy hair?

 

 

Read back what I said again. I said they DO involve the public (as in the public are involved in protesting)

 

The second bit with the reasons you're suggesting is just childishness. Not sure why you're lowering yourself to that. 

 

It's LARPer activism because it serves no strategic purpose and only really serves to make that person think they're doing something and 'raising awareness'. It pisses off the public, turns them against you, listening to you, and the message - the exact opposite of what activism is supposed to be about - gaining members, support, and solidarity.

 

It's not even the type of protest that's a problem either - much more violent and disruptive protests and movements have been successful - it's who they target that matters. 

 

Examples - there are countless examples, but just off the top of my head, most grass roots political movements, the labour movement, the million man march, the George Floyd protests.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[jackyboy]

They should have left him tied to the post, probably the safest place. He'd never get struck with ball standing there

[Kid Icarus]

17 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

How is it childish when literally 90 percent of the comments are about the way the guy looks lol? You can literally see one above? “He stinks/incel/greasy guy/virgin/geek” you genuinely think that isn’t a factor? Gotta say it’s particularly funny coming from some, who are no oil painting. 

 

You either don’t know what LARP means or you’re being disingenuous. Larp is pretending to be something. Once you literally tie yourself to a post how is that larping?

 

The George Floyd protests?! The ones that caused a ton of outrage and civil damages to property? You can’t be serious. They pissed off nearly everybody. 

 

I mean this in the nicest way I can, but I thought you were much more switched on than this MD. 

 

It's childish that you would suggest that those are the reasons I would have a problem with it. You put the question directly to me, not other people.

 

It's LARPing because it not only serves no strategic purpose - bringing about change, gaining support, solidarity, and numbers - but it's actually counterproductive to most of those objectives. If the true point of protesting is pissing people off and turning them against your cause under the guise of 'raising awareness' or making yourself feel better because you've 'done something' then I stand corrected, he's not a LARPer. 

 

Yes, the George Floyd protests - the protests that 1. Largely targeted the right areas (the police, capital, and property) and 2. resulted in widespread reform. Just because people were pissed off about them, doesn't mean they targeted people. The people who were pissed off in that situation were collateral, the people pissed off last night were the target.

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[Kid Icarus]

20 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

I thought you were. If you sincerely don’t think the way he looks affects the public opinion I genuinely do not know what to say. There is direct evidence in this thread.  A 21 year old kid essentially, being called all sorts.
 

Then he’s not a larper by any definition, he actually did something, he didn’t sit on a laptop pretending to. You’re claiming he had no real beliefs (LARP) because you didn’t like the method of protest. 
 

https://nypost.com/2020/05/30/george-floyd-protests-shut-down-major-nyc-highways/amp/

I would personally class the closing of major roads as targeting the public. And there is nothing wrong with that imo. A match being delayed by 10 mins is so ridiculously minor. 

 

 

I don't know how I can put this more plainly because I feel like I've already made it obvious, but you were asking me if those were my reasons.  

 

If 'actually doing something' is your defining characterstic of the purpose of protesting then godspeed, but it's not mine. For that reason I think it was LARPer activism, big deal. His beliefs have nothing to do with it, I've no doubt he believes in the cause, that doesn't mean I don't think his form of protest is infantile and counterproductive. 

 

Yeah, of course there was public disruption during the George Floyd protests, but that's not what I was talking about. I would have hoped that when I said 'they largely targeted the right areas - the police, capital, and property' that I'd made that clear like.  

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[gbandit]

Personally don’t have any issue with him overall, I’m supportive of their mission in principle but I was a bit pissed off that it broke up to the rhythm even more of what was already a shit game. I found the whole thing hilarious and although I wouldn’t want it becoming commonplace I tend to enjoy the odd thing like this kicking off. The bolt cutters were just the cherry on top 

[Papavasiliou]

It was a better attempt at a protest than the XR lot turning up at the Ministry this week.

 

What you protesting against? 

Oil and Gas

So you're protesting the people who produce and sell them, right?

No, but we've noticed Barclays invest in those companies.

So you're protesting Barclays, right?

No, we've noticed the government use Barclays to send out benefits and tax payments.
So you're protesting the government then?
No not exactly. We're protesting a local branch office in a region historically ignored by the government.

That'll show 'em

[Kid Icarus]

30 minutes ago, ManDoon said:

But it factually isn’t LARP if the action takes place, I’m not sure how you can paint it that way. If you think it’s infantile that’s your opinion, doesn’t mean it’s a LARP. The perfect protest doesn’t exist.

 

Yeah that’s not the case though is it, they didn’t largely do that at all, a lot were public targeted and that’s fine imo. Do you think blocking the freeway was bad then? By your own contentions it was? I’m 99 percent sure a lot of people on here were up for match day disruption at SJP?
 

There’s this weird almost sneering these days at anyone who does anything, I find it very weird. Nothing he could have done wouldn’t have been met with the same sneering. People simultaneously want young people to vote, then rip them to shreds for any political demonstrations. The fact it’s being discussed right now, means it worked.

 

 

3:50 ish his opinions on public disturbance are mirrored in a lot of people today, and personally I think that’s a pretty terrible thing. 

 

I'm calling it LARPing because it serves no strategic purpose as a protest, not because action didn't take place. 

It is the case, yeah. Government buildings and commercial property were damaged and looted. Police stations were burned down and looted. There were huge, spontaneous marches, protests, and riots. Government officials were forced to take public meetings on the streets and agree to reform. Whatever combination of factors you think brought about change in those circumstances is your conclusion to come to, but I think you'd have to make a pretty compelling case to suggest that blocking a motorway or other action directed at the public played a key role, not least when it was a wider movement with public involvement. 

Absolutely no sneering in the way that you present it at all. I'm in favour of most action that gets results. I just don't think there's evidence to suggest that protests that target the public get results, in fact largely the opposite. 

 

Anyway, I think I've made my point. 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2022 by Kid Icarus

[The Prophet]

Man, so many individual errors for that goal. Fatigue must have played a part as its just totally uncharacteristic of late.

[triggs]

Can someone repost the pic of the protestor with the guy with the hilarious facial expression in the background?

[Wullie]

@triggs

[NE27]

the last couple of pages...

 

 

That's blokes teeth man, highlight of the game 

[joeyt]

 

 

 

 

[Thiago]

Still raging we lost to this shower. 

 

Think given the choice I'd rather have beaten these and lost to Southampton.