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[Mattoon]

These are about to start sliding down the table now, their good fortune is catching up and the world will right itself. Just hoping that off the back of the City win we can build some momentum at the same time and put them back in their place in a couple of weeks.

[madras]

Just now, Cookie1892 said:

Manchester pretty much straddles the Irwell

Its more natural for Towns and Cities to straddle rivers I'd have thought.

[OpenC]

Depends how you look at things i suppose, technically London is only on one side if you buy into the "collection of villages" schtick.  Says a bit about the town on the other side of the river to a city if it decides and manages to retain its individuality and still goes by its old name I guess - well done Gateshead and Birkenhead

 

I think the mackem slide was inevitable between last week and Christmas but from what I've seen they've got enough about them to avoid the drop I reckon. There are plenty of wank teams in the Prem.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by OpenC

[manorpark]

55 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Depends how you look at things i suppose, technically London is only on one side if you buy into the "collection of villages" schtick.  Says a bit about the town on the other side of the river to a city if it decides and manages to retain its individuality and still goes by its old name I guess - well done Gateshead and Birkenhead

 

 

South Newcastle is called Gateshead because it has a local authority (a 'metropolitan borough') that is called that.

 

In absolute reality we are all one continuous city, no matter what historical names some parts go by.

 

Parochiality by some horribly inhibits our economic development by disguising the large City that we are. London, for example, does not have that problem.

[OpenC]

 reminds me of a lad I knew who used to call Pegswood "East Morpeth" because he really, really wanted it to be Morpeth. 

 

I still think of Gateshead as Gateshead like, but as I say it depends on how you look at these things really  I'm not sure where I'd consider Newcastle to technically end going north and east, but for me it stops at the Tyne southward and the point at which houses give way to fields westward.

 

 

Edited November 25, 2025 by OpenC

[OCOCOL]

25 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 reminds me of a lad I knew who used to call Pegswood "East Morpeth" because he really, really wanted it to be Morpeth. 

 

I still think of Gateshead as Gateshead like, but as I say it depends on how you look at these things really  I'm not sure where I'd consider Newcastle to technically end going north and east, but for me it stops at the Tyne southward and the point at which houses give way to fields westward.

 

 

 

and east to the end of old shields road when walkergate / ville becomes wallsend high st? TBF I think of all N Tyneside being Newcastle too

[OpenC]

Aye I do as well, but people who live there probably don't.  Probably Walkergate way is a canny shout

[Disco]

Probably one for a different thread but I'd love to read about the rationale about how they came up with the borders of Newcastle and North Tyneside as a lot of it seems mad as fuck. Particularly around Benton, long and short.

[pinkeye]

35 minutes ago, OpenC said:

 reminds me of a lad I knew who used to call Pegswood "East Morpeth" because he really, really wanted it to be Morpeth. 

 

I still think of Gateshead as Gateshead like, but as I say it depends on how you look at these things really  I'm not sure where I'd consider Newcastle to technically end going north and east, but for me it stops at the Tyne southward and the point at which houses give way to fields westward.

 

 

 

 

Same, I live in Gateshead.  I tell people that I live in Gateshead when they ask where I am from and mostly people recognise it as being close to Newcastle.  If I am explaining to someone who really is unfamiliar with the UK then I just say Newcastle for easiness....   This whole Newcastle / Gateshead thing doesn't sit right with me...  For example:  calling the Hilton Hotel in Gateshead the Newcastle Hilton is simply to attract more people to stay there and so that they can charge a higher room rate!

[SAFC L]

2 hours ago, madras said:

I'm probably an outlier on here of not going for the results are all that matters line. If the performances arent there you will get found out for it and it's not usually  a temporary downward step.

We’ve been out of the premier league for nearly a decade prior to this season, and all promoted clubs have gone back down the last 2 seasons.

 

For ourselves, results are all that matter. It probably is different for teams aiming to be in and around the champions league places.

[OpenC]

5 minutes ago, pinkeye said:

 

Same, I live in Gateshead.  I tell people that I live in Gateshead when they ask where I am from and mostly people recognise it as being close to Newcastle.  If I am explaining to someone who really is unfamiliar with the UK then I just say Newcastle for easiness....   This whole Newcastle / Gateshead thing doesn't sit right with me...  For example:  calling the Hilton Hotel in Gateshead the Newcastle Hilton is simply to attract more people to stay there and so that they can charge a higher room rate!

 

I thought when people started trying to encourage folk to say "newcastlegyetsid" they were just hoping to create a UK Buda/Pest thing

[pinkeye]

Almost definitely and probably that!

 

[deejeck]

9 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Aye I do as well, but people who live there probably don't.  Probably Walkergate way is a canny shout

I'm from Wallsend and consider it to be part of Newcastle, even though it falls under North Tyneside.  Benton, Forest Hall & Killingworth are all under North Tyneside but are mostly considered to be part of Newcastle. When I lived in Forest Hall a load of my mail just had my street address and Newcastle upon Tyne, then the post code. 

One thing that really bugs me is the whole Tyne & Wear shite, would love it to be officially done away with and properly fall under Northumberland again.

[et tu brute]

42 minutes ago, OpenC said:

Aye I do as well, but people who live there probably don't.  Probably Walkergate way is a canny shout

Walkerville I would count as the boundary of Newcastle  to North Tyneside

[madras]

1 hour ago, SAFC L said:

We’ve been out of the premier league for nearly a decade prior to this season, and all promoted clubs have gone back down the last 2 seasons.

 

For ourselves, results are all that matter. It probably is different for teams aiming to be in and around the champions league places.

I get that, I'm just saying its not sustainable and you have been fortunate so far.

[The Bonk]

1 hour ago, SAFC L said:

We’ve been out of the premier league for nearly a decade prior to this season, and all promoted clubs have gone back down the last 2 seasons.

 

For ourselves, results are all that matter. It probably is different for teams aiming to be in and around the champions league places.

 

Always goes for one.

[manorpark]

8 hours ago, deejeck said:

I'm from Wallsend and consider it to be part of Newcastle, even though it falls under North Tyneside.  Benton, Forest Hall & Killingworth are all under North Tyneside but are mostly considered to be part of Newcastle. When I lived in Forest Hall a load of my mail just had my street address and Newcastle upon Tyne, then the post code. 

One thing that really bugs me is the whole Tyne & Wear shite, would love it to be officially done away with and properly fall under Northumberland again.

 

Newcastle was not in Northumberland County before Tyne & Wear was created.

 

It was its own county, and was called the "City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne" . . . 

[Coffee_Johnny]

7 hours ago, manorpark said:

 

Newcastle was not in Northumberland County before Tyne & Wear was created.

 

It was its own county, and was called the "City and County of Newcastle upon Tyne" . . . 

Errrrr… for about 500 years Newcastle was the ‘capital’ as in county town, administrative centre, and the largest  town/settlement of Northumberland. 

[manorpark]

8 minutes ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

Errrrr… for about 500 years Newcastle was the ‘capital’ as in county town, administrative centre, and the largest  town/settlement of Northumberland. 

 

Which "500 years" would that be then??

 

On May 23rd in 1400 King Henry IV granted Newcastle a charter that separated the town from the rest of Northumberland, becoming a county in itself. Roger Thornton became the Mayor, a post he held nine times. The castle remained under Northumberland’s jurisdiction, which was handy for criminals on the run from the law in the town. May 23rd 1400 King Henry IV., by a charter of this date, granted, that Newcastle, with the suburbs and precincts thereof, should be separated from the county of Northumberland, and be a county of itself, with the title of the county of Newcastle, and that the burgesses thereof, instead of bailiffs as formerly, should have a sheriff, to be chosen annually, to have the same power as other sheriffs of counties, and the privilege of holding a county court on one Wednesday in every month ; that none of the burgesses should plead or be impleaded without that town, concerning any tenements or tenures within the same, its suburbs, or the precincts thereof, or concerning any offences or other matters arising there, but that the mayor and sheriff should have cognizance of all pleas in the Guildhall of the town. That the said burgesses and their heirs should be exempt from serving on juries without the town ; that they should have power to choose six alderman, who, with the mayor, should be justices of the peace, and that the mayor and sheriff should continue to hold the annual courts heretofore held by the mayor and bailiffs. Roger Thornton was mayor, and William Redmarshall the first sheriff of Newcastle, under this charter.”

 

[Coffee_Johnny]

That 500 or so years, in terms of historic county boundaries. What was the county town of Northumberland during that period? 
 

https://wikishire.co.uk/map/#northumberland/centre=55.204,-2.112/zoom=8

Spoiler

 

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2025 by Coffee_Johnny

[Kid Icarus]

20 hours ago, OpenC said:

 reminds me of a lad I knew who used to call Pegswood "East Morpeth" because he really, really wanted it to be Morpeth. 

 

What school do you go to?

North Gosforth Academy.

Ah, sound, where's that?

:.......

 

 

[madras]

Just now, Kid Icarus said:

 

What school do you go to?

North Gosforth Academy.

Ah, sound, where's that?

:.......

 

 

 Chatting to lasses on Friday nights in the 80s I was from Westerhope.....

 

 

 

......Newbiggin Hall really.

[manorpark]

2 hours ago, Coffee_Johnny said:

That 500 or so years, in terms of historic county boundaries. What was the county town of Northumberland during that period? 
 

https://wikishire.co.uk/map/#northumberland/centre=55.204,-2.112/zoom=8

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No idea, but it had nothing to do with Newcastle !!!

[Wallsendmag]

My mate used to (jokingly) boast that he lived in Lower South Gosforth when he actually lived in Longbenton.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2025 by Wallsendmag

[Lush Vlad]

North Shields = West Tynemouth.