Nobody Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 1 hour ago, neesy111 said: I'll never get why clubs outside the top 6 voted for this change. I can't remember who it was, but a manager in the Swedish league argued that it would benefit the worse teams as towards the end of a game quality doesn't matter as much as just being able to bring on some fresh legs. Obviously a load of bollocks like, and I fucking hate the 5 subs rule, having watched it for a couple of seasons now, it's absolutely shite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 15 minutes ago, Nobody said: I can't remember who it was, but a manager in the Swedish league argued that it would benefit the worse teams as towards the end of a game quality doesn't matter as much as just being able to bring on some fresh legs. Obviously a load of bollocks like, and I fucking hate the 5 subs rule, having watched it for a couple of seasons now, it's absolutely shite. Couldn’t agree more. Something that absolutely didn’t need changing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 26 minutes ago, Nobody said: I can't remember who it was, but a manager in the Swedish league argued that it would benefit the worse teams as towards the end of a game quality doesn't matter as much as just being able to bring on some fresh legs. Obviously a load of bollocks like, and I fucking hate the 5 subs rule, having watched it for a couple of seasons now, it's absolutely shite. It’s insane, as dumb as VAR for removing the theatre from the game. I am for goal line technology, the rest of these changes are removing chance, luck and romanticism from the game. I’ll go shake my fist at a cloud now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howeay Posted July 30, 2022 Share Posted July 30, 2022 (edited) I will laugh though when Fulham or someone are beating Liverpool and they make a double substitution in stoppage time to run the clock down and Klopp is doing his nut in about the time wasting. Edited July 30, 2022 by Howeay Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 One of those where if clubs outside the top 6 were fine with it, surely the managers for the most part were fine with it, so, and this sounds insane - I know - maybe they know more than the common fan? bruce aside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 minutes ago, The Bonk said: It’s insane, as dumb as VAR for removing the theatre from the game. I am for goal line technology, the rest of these changes are removing chance, luck and romanticism from the game. I’ll go shake my fist at a cloud now. It's arguably worse than VAR, and I fucking hate VAR. It makes so many games in the last 20 minutes feel like friendlies, especially if the better team is in a winning position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 41 minutes ago, Kanji said: One of those where if clubs outside the top 6 were fine with it, surely the managers for the most part were fine with it, so, and this sounds insane - I know - maybe they know more than the common fan? bruce aside. Nah, it's fucking shite. Think it's probably more to do with managers thinking it might benefit them to have more substitutes, but honestly mate, there are no advantages. I say this as a fan of one of the better side in the Swedish league and a Newcastle fan so I see it from both sides. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 42 minutes ago, Kanji said: One of those where if clubs outside the top 6 were fine with it, surely the managers for the most part were fine with it, so, and this sounds insane - I know - maybe they know more than the common fan? bruce aside. Without fans/supporters, there is no game. Tinkering with something not needing tinkering with alienates said fans. Anyways. I am old and resistant to change for the sake of change. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bonk Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nobody said: It's arguably worse than VAR, and I fucking hate VAR. It makes so many games in the last 20 minutes feel like friendlies, especially if the better team is in a winning position. Completely aligned with you, mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanji Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Let’s wait for the stats to show if it was good or not, using reasoning because “That’s the way it was” is not really proving anything for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 17 minutes ago, Kanji said: Let’s wait for the stats to show if it was good or not, using reasoning because “That’s the way it was” is not really proving anything for me. Which stats do you expect to prove owt here? I'm talking about the flow and pace of the game, nothing any stats could show being better or worse. My team in Sweden won 13 out of 15 home games, drawing the other two, last season with the 5 sub rule and I can tell you it's absolute shite. When winning, it becomes too easy for the better team make a couple of double subs which disrupts the game and puts fresh legs on and makes it too easy to hold on to the lead. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
McDog Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Nobody said: Which stats do you expect to prove owt here? I'm talking about the flow and pace of the game, nothing any stats could show being better or worse. My team in Sweden won 13 out of 15 home games, drawing the other two, last season with the 5 sub rule and I can tell you it's absolute shite. When winning, it becomes too easy for the better team make a couple of double subs which disrupts the game and puts fresh legs on and makes it too easy to hold on to the lead. I guess that makes it a premium on being the deeper team. Let's get on it then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 49 minutes ago, Nobody said: It's arguably worse than VAR, and I fucking hate VAR. It makes so many games in the last 20 minutes feel like friendlies, especially if the better team is in a winning position. Yup. First experience I had of it was in Norway the other month. Awful. Nee less subs aplenty trying to kill the game. Especially given how players are more conditioned and fit than ever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 3 hours ago, Nobody said: Which stats do you expect to prove owt here? I'm talking about the flow and pace of the game, nothing any stats could show being better or worse. My team in Sweden won 13 out of 15 home games, drawing the other two, last season with the 5 sub rule and I can tell you it's absolute shite. When winning, it becomes too easy for the better team make a couple of double subs which disrupts the game and puts fresh legs on and makes it too easy to hold on to the lead. Really don't know how the rules been voted in tbh clearly going to massively favour the top 4 teams making it even harder to get a result against them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HTT II Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 (edited) I’d make it a rule that of the 5 subs, 2 have to be academy/youth players. Edited July 31, 2022 by HTT II Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 Just now, HTT II said: I’d make it a rule that of the 5 subs, 2 have to be academy/youth players. Was there anything wrong with 3 subs though? Seem like we are fucking around with things when it isn't necessary. Makes it more tactical and id think games better for the fans it's going to be harder to turn a result against a better team if they bring on 5 top class players to see a game out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 I just cannot see any advantage to a side with a poor bench (we've seen many of them) over one with £200m worth of talent, optimally trained and in peak physical condition, cocks up and ready to fuck an ageing and tiring Championship quality defence raw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 9 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Was there anything wrong with 3 subs though? Seem like we are fucking around with things when it isn't necessary. Makes it more tactical and id think games better for the fans it's going to be harder to turn a result against a better team if they bring on 5 top class players to see a game out. Didn't see anything wrong with 2 subs. And I'd make it out of a bench of 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 We seem to have two teams, with not that much difference between the two in terms of overall quality. Bodes well for a cup run. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiLvOR Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Cronky said: Bodes well for a cup run. Man, I would kill for a good cup run Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 13 hours ago, Kanji said: I’m certain the coaching staff have these lads hooked up to the health monitors and they aren’t allowing any of them to exceed any pre determined red zones or risk points. And getting these poor boys their inhalers post-match. 🤞🏼🤞🏼🤞🏼 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillingtonMag Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Cronky said: We seem to have two teams, with not that much difference between the two in terms of overall quality. Bodes well for a cup run. Really ? I think when you go past our starting 11 the gulf in quality is absolutely massive? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coffee_Johnny Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, WillingtonMag said: Really ? I think when you go past our starting 11 the gulf in quality is absolutely massive? I think it is probably the preseason mix and match which leads to this opinion. Which to be fair, in a nod to Rafa, has been a triumph for system over personnel. But moments of magic win tight games and I agree, not confident many of our back-ups have many of those moments in them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 We've got a squad trained well, but obviously beyond our starting XI and few decent options beyond that we're lacking. Good enough for what we need at the minute but I wouldn't bank on a cup run like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Edgar Posted July 31, 2022 Share Posted July 31, 2022 We are still far too short of quality up front to be fairly confident of a comfortable season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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